bear 73 wrote:In reply to Cleveland stag
Wellens At Salford and Doncaster did not last a full season So his season at Orient could be a flash in the pan.
Evans left Gillingham in a right old mess and left Peterborough under a cloud, and Mansfield well it says it all.
Simpson his last management role was Stockport county i from july 2010 until jan 2011 and a short spell with Bristol City as care taker manager from 2021 Feb 16th to 21st Feb so once more no history or experience.
Wood first job as a manager a x coach of Man Utd no history of any kind.
Edwards did a job at F-G=R lost his best players left and F=G=R on course for relegation, was sacked by Watford in 2023 now at Luton, so F=G=R are no better off long term ,
Barton first job with a multi millionaire at Fleetwood did a good job but soon spat his dummy out, got Bristol Rovers promoted in a strange set of circumstances treading water in league 1 done well
Brady been at Northampton since 2016 as a coach was caretaker when they lost their league 1 status, lost in the playoffs to Mansfield town and it was the Stags who played in the final at Wembley.
Morecambe and Cambridge are fighting relegation 22 and 23 in league 1 so a short success for them not what you want not keeping league 1 status.
Evatt at Bolton well with national history as a club a ground that holds 23,723 and with a average attendance of 18,516 in league 1 matched only by Sheff Wed=Derby County-Ipswich.
Using a club like Bolton as a yardstick for Mansfield Town this must be a joke , i must look at bishop st again on Sat, try to get in the club shop and battle my way into Sandys, Oh no a pint in the rain again
Standing room only.
bear 73 wrote:In reply to Cleveland stag
Wellens At Salford and Doncaster did not last a full season So his season at Orient could be a flash in the pan.
Evans left Gillingham in a right old mess and left Peterborough under a cloud, and Mansfield well it says it all.
Simpson his last management role was Stockport county i from july 2010 until jan 2011 and a short spell with Bristol City as care taker manager from 2021 Feb 16th to 21st Feb so once more no history or experience.
Wood first job as a manager a x coach of Man Utd no history of any kind.
Edwards did a job at F-G=R lost his best players left and F=G=R on course for relegation, was sacked by Watford in 2023 now at Luton, so F=G=R are no better off long term ,
Barton first job with a multi millionaire at Fleetwood did a good job but soon spat his dummy out, got Bristol Rovers promoted in a strange set of circumstances treading water in league 1 done well
Brady been at Northampton since 2016 as a coach was caretaker when they lost their league 1 status, lost in the playoffs to Mansfield town and it was the Stags who played in the final at Wembley.
Morecambe and Cambridge are fighting relegation 22 and 23 in league 1 so a short success for them not what you want not keeping league 1 status.
Evatt at Bolton well with national history as a club a ground that holds 23,723 and with a average attendance of 18,516 in league 1 matched only by Sheff Wed=Derby County-Ipswich.
Using a club like Bolton as a yardstick for Mansfield Town this must be a joke , i must look at bishop st again on Sat, try to get in the club shop and battle my way into Sandys, Oh no a pint in the rain again
Standing room only.
Chrisuknottm wrote:bear 73 wrote:In reply to Cleveland stag
Wellens At Salford and Doncaster did not last a full season So his season at Orient could be a flash in the pan.
Evans left Gillingham in a right old mess and left Peterborough under a cloud, and Mansfield well it says it all.
Simpson his last management role was Stockport county i from july 2010 until jan 2011 and a short spell with Bristol City as care taker manager from 2021 Feb 16th to 21st Feb so once more no history or experience.
Wood first job as a manager a x coach of Man Utd no history of any kind.
Edwards did a job at F-G=R lost his best players left and F=G=R on course for relegation, was sacked by Watford in 2023 now at Luton, so F=G=R are no better off long term ,
Barton first job with a multi millionaire at Fleetwood did a good job but soon spat his dummy out, got Bristol Rovers promoted in a strange set of circumstances treading water in league 1 done well
Brady been at Northampton since 2016 as a coach was caretaker when they lost their league 1 status, lost in the playoffs to Mansfield town and it was the Stags who played in the final at Wembley.
Morecambe and Cambridge are fighting relegation 22 and 23 in league 1 so a short success for them not what you want not keeping league 1 status.
Evatt at Bolton well with national history as a club a ground that holds 23,723 and with a average attendance of 18,516 in league 1 matched only by Sheff Wed=Derby County-Ipswich.
Using a club like Bolton as a yardstick for Mansfield Town this must be a joke , i must look at bishop st again on Sat, try to get in the club shop and battle my way into Sandys, Oh no a pint in the rain again
Standing room only.
So what are you saying Bear that none of these successes are warranted because ultimately things didnt pan out in whatever way. That's absolute spin and at least all those clubs got a shot at something better than League 2. The fact that some came or are coming back down is irrelevant as at least, for a brief moment in time, they gave their fans some success and the things that dreams are made of. Tell you what, let's sign a gentleman's agreement that as long as we don't get relegated we won't try for promotion.
Chrisuknottm wrote:At the moment of getting promotion fans aren't thinking "I bet in 12 months time we will be coming back down".....they are elated after how ever many disappointments they have had. No one wants to sit around forever and not take a chance until all your qualifying boxes are ticked just in case things don't pan out. Jeez don't you ever want to take a chance and just go for it and maybe, just maybe the people you ultimately have put your faith into have done what is expected of them and you move on. Life is a gamble Bear and you can't sit on the fence forever wondering if someone has put a mattress on the side you're going to fall into.
MTFCMusings wrote:bear 73 wrote:In reply to Cleveland stag
Wellens At Salford and Doncaster did not last a full season So his season at Orient could be a flash in the pan.
Evans left Gillingham in a right old mess and left Peterborough under a cloud, and Mansfield well it says it all.
Simpson his last management role was Stockport county i from july 2010 until jan 2011 and a short spell with Bristol City as care taker manager from 2021 Feb 16th to 21st Feb so once more no history or experience.
Wood first job as a manager a x coach of Man Utd no history of any kind.
Edwards did a job at F-G=R lost his best players left and F=G=R on course for relegation, was sacked by Watford in 2023 now at Luton, so F=G=R are no better off long term ,
Barton first job with a multi millionaire at Fleetwood did a good job but soon spat his dummy out, got Bristol Rovers promoted in a strange set of circumstances treading water in league 1 done well
Brady been at Northampton since 2016 as a coach was caretaker when they lost their league 1 status, lost in the playoffs to Mansfield town and it was the Stags who played in the final at Wembley.
Morecambe and Cambridge are fighting relegation 22 and 23 in league 1 so a short success for them not what you want not keeping league 1 status.
Evatt at Bolton well with national history as a club a ground that holds 23,723 and with a average attendance of 18,516 in league 1 matched only by Sheff Wed=Derby County-Ipswich.
Using a club like Bolton as a yardstick for Mansfield Town this must be a joke , i must look at bishop st again on Sat, try to get in the club shop and battle my way into Sandys, Oh no a pint in the rain again
Standing room only.
The number of stands we have, the size of the club shop and the bar are none matters on which a manager is judged.
NEStag wrote:I agree with you Chris.
I’d take a promotion and all that brings, and then paying some big teams next year and new places to visit (or revisit) like Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Charlton, Derby, Bolton, Barnsley.
We might establish ourselves in League one and we may not. But I’d take a promotion and then a relegation over languishing in League Two.
I also don’t buy all this ‘building’ stuff which says you have to do 10 (or 20!) years before you’ve ‘built’ for promotion. Yes for infrastructure and facilities but at the end of the day each season is 46 games and you just need to get more points than most of the other teams. Getting the points has got nothing directly to do with the club’s facilities.
Bear - I don’t disagree with your comments that structure may (over time) affect revenue and budget etc. Just that there’s no rule (and should be no desire) to have to wait for promotion until that’s in place.
bear 73 wrote:In reply to Cleveland stag
Wellens At Salford and Doncaster did not last a full season So his season at Orient could be a flash in the pan.
Evans left Gillingham in a right old mess and left Peterborough under a cloud, and Mansfield well it says it all.
Simpson his last management role was Stockport county i from july 2010 until jan 2011 and a short spell with Bristol City as care taker manager from 2021 Feb 16th to 21st Feb so once more no history or experience.
Wood first job as a manager a x coach of Man Utd no history of any kind.
Edwards did a job at F-G=R lost his best players left and F=G=R on course for relegation, was sacked by Watford in 2023 now at Luton, so F=G=R are no better off long term ,
Barton first job with a multi millionaire at Fleetwood did a good job but soon spat his dummy out, got Bristol Rovers promoted in a strange set of circumstances treading water in league 1 done well
Brady been at Northampton since 2016 as a coach was caretaker when they lost their league 1 status, lost in the playoffs to Mansfield town and it was the Stags who played in the final at Wembley.
Morecambe and Cambridge are fighting relegation 22 and 23 in league 1 so a short success for them not what you want not keeping league 1 status.
Evatt at Bolton well with national history as a club a ground that holds 23,723 and with a average attendance of 18,516 in league 1 matched only by Sheff Wed=Derby County-Ipswich.
Using a club like Bolton as a yardstick for Mansfield Town this must be a joke , i must look at bishop st again on Sat, try to get in the club shop and battle my way into Sandys, Oh no a pint in the rain again
Standing room only.
Sounds good, but look at the likes of Bury, Stockport and Rochdale. I would rather us go up into to league 1 with firm foundations and have every change of being established there, rather than a season or two there then plummet into non league oblivion.bear 73 wrote:NEStag wrote:I agree with you Chris.
I’d take a promotion and all that brings, and then paying some big teams next year and new places to visit (or revisit) like Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Charlton, Derby, Bolton, Barnsley.
We might establish ourselves in League one and we may not. But I’d take a promotion and then a relegation over languishing in League Two.
I also don’t buy all this ‘building’ stuff which says you have to do 10 (or 20!) years before you’ve ‘built’ for promotion. Yes for infrastructure and facilities but at the end of the day each season is 46 games and you just need to get more points than most of the other teams. Getting the points has got nothing directly to do with the club’s facilities.
Bear - I don’t disagree with your comments that structure may (over time) affect revenue and budget etc. Just that there’s no rule (and should be no desire) to have to wait for promotion until that’s in place.
I am with you so close last season and still in the mix this one i just feel we are where we are and going in the right direction
Tawnystag wrote:If JR 100% wanted to keep Cloughie then he would’ve offered him a new contract by now. The fact that he hasn’t, with 9 games remaining, is telling. If we don’t at least get into the playoffs then he will be gone.
bigalstag1 wrote:You've been here a couple of years on this board and you're trying to tell somebody who's been watching this club for over 50 years what it's history is and what it should aspire to. Stick to following Mr. Clough around , you should have a new message board to log into,soon, and you can tell them how lucky they are, just to sit still.
Sometimes it's good to listen to other fresher points of view. I have been attending Field Mill for 60 years and and don't feel newcomers are preaching to me. I tend to agree, under NC, that we are going in the right direction.bigalstag1 wrote:You've been here a couple of years on this board and you're trying to tell somebody who's been watching this club for over 50 years what it's history is and what it should aspire to. Stick to following Mr. Clough around , you should have a new message board to log into,soon, and you can tell them how lucky they are, just to sit still.
bellwhiff wrote:bigalstag1 wrote:You've been here a couple of years on this board and you're trying to tell somebody who's been watching this club for over 50 years what it's history is and what it should aspire to. Stick to following Mr. Clough around , you should have a new message board to log into,soon, and you can tell them how lucky they are, just to sit still.
This. The patronising pats on the head are tiresome.
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