zod wrote:O'Toole has a contract till 2024 so can't see him leaving at the end of the season.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Christ, not even Christmas yet
zod wrote:O'Toole has a contract till 2024 so can't see him leaving at the end of the season.
Eastern Green Stag wrote:zod wrote:O'Toole has a contract till 2024 so can't see him leaving at the end of the season.
this is were the club have messed up .. giving OAP's 2 year contracts .
Gordon & Akins must be added .. do nothing whatsoever to the team
diablo wrote:When we contracted Nigel Clough to be our Manager I remember him saying he needed time to build a team capable of promotion . Well he nearly achieved that last Season but unfortunately flopped at the final hurdle.
Looking at the current squad I offer the following as a possible outcome by the end of the Season
Players leaving or not retained :
Pym , Harbottle , Swan back to their parent Club although I hope Pym might possibly sign for us permanently
Not retained or retiring : Bowery , Johnson, Perch, Quinn , JJ O'Toole, Page , Knowles
The retained list possibly:..assuming he keeps our young players
Gordon, Macca, Hewitt, Hartigan, Akins, Clarke, Maris, Hawkins, Flinders, Law, Oates, Boateng, Lapslie, plus Gale, Mason, Cooper,
So I think around 10 players will be leaving ..a couple of others should go but we know they will be retained
So we are looking at an almost total rebuild...based on the current Manager's previous and somewhat underwhelming transfer dealings ...the question needs to be asked.."Is Nigel Clough still the right man to lead us forward ? " do we give him another year or What ?
YellaFella 75 wrote:diablo wrote:When we contracted Nigel Clough to be our Manager I remember him saying he needed time to build a team capable of promotion . Well he nearly achieved that last Season but unfortunately flopped at the final hurdle.
Looking at the current squad I offer the following as a possible outcome by the end of the Season
Players leaving or not retained :
Pym , Harbottle , Swan back to their parent Club although I hope Pym might possibly sign for us permanently
Not retained or retiring : Bowery , Johnson, Perch, Quinn , JJ O'Toole, Page , Knowles
The retained list possibly:..assuming he keeps our young players
Gordon, Macca, Hewitt, Hartigan, Akins, Clarke, Maris, Hawkins, Flinders, Law, Oates, Boateng, Lapslie, plus Gale, Mason, Cooper,
So I think around 10 players will be leaving ..a couple of others should go but we know they will be retained
So we are looking at an almost total rebuild...based on the current Manager's previous and somewhat underwhelming transfer dealings ...the question needs to be asked.."Is Nigel Clough still the right man to lead us forward ? " do we give him another year or What ?
I do love a bit of negativity, we were shocking until Christmas last year and then ............
YellaFella 75 wrote:diablo wrote:When we contracted Nigel Clough to be our Manager I remember him saying he needed time to build a team capable of promotion . Well he nearly achieved that last Season but unfortunately flopped at the final hurdle.
Looking at the current squad I offer the following as a possible outcome by the end of the Season
Players leaving or not retained :
Pym , Harbottle , Swan back to their parent Club although I hope Pym might possibly sign for us permanently
Not retained or retiring : Bowery , Johnson, Perch, Quinn , JJ O'Toole, Page , Knowles
The retained list possibly:..assuming he keeps our young players
Gordon, Macca, Hewitt, Hartigan, Akins, Clarke, Maris, Hawkins, Flinders, Law, Oates, Boateng, Lapslie, plus Gale, Mason, Cooper,
So I think around 10 players will be leaving ..a couple of others should go but we know they will be retained
So we are looking at an almost total rebuild...based on the current Manager's previous and somewhat underwhelming transfer dealings ...the question needs to be asked.."Is Nigel Clough still the right man to lead us forward ? " do we give him another year or What ?
I do love a bit of negativity, we were shocking until Christmas last year and then ............
Dave Wayne wrote:I seem to quite clearly remember a long thread on here clamouring for Clough to get O'Toole signed up when his initial short term contract was coming to an end, and how relieved everyone was when it was sorted.
Bowery was the whipping boy on here when he first signed but last season he showed much better form and I don't remember any complaints when his contract was extended in the summer.
Likewise, Perch and Quinn also signed contract extensions and the general response was one of positivity.
Can someone please explain why Clough is expected to have a crystal ball and be able to predict drops in form and injury problems when none of the experts on here are able to do so ?
Dave Wayne wrote:I seem to quite clearly remember a long thread on here clamouring for Clough to get O'Toole signed up when his initial short term contract was coming to an end, and how relieved everyone was when it was sorted.
Bowery was the whipping boy on here when he first signed but last season he showed much better form and I don't remember any complaints when his contract was extended in the summer.
Likewise, Perch and Quinn also signed contract extensions and the general response was one of positivity.
Can someone please explain why Clough is expected to have a crystal ball and be able to predict drops in form and injury problems when none of the experts on here are able to do so ?
Rob wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:I seem to quite clearly remember a long thread on here clamouring for Clough to get O'Toole signed up when his initial short term contract was coming to an end, and how relieved everyone was when it was sorted.
Bowery was the whipping boy on here when he first signed but last season he showed much better form and I don't remember any complaints when his contract was extended in the summer.
Likewise, Perch and Quinn also signed contract extensions and the general response was one of positivity.
Can someone please explain why Clough is expected to have a crystal ball and be able to predict drops in form and injury problems when none of the experts on here are able to do so ?
To be fair Dave we did predict what would happen, if you look back through the posts just before the deadline past many of us were saying the squad was too small and we desperately needed 2 centre backs and a striker. Had we signed those players and they had been better than some of the duffs Clough has signed, then I think we would be much higher in the league. Instead of signing a centre back we signed Hartigan, now what would you sooner have right now? It's absolutely not hindsight, this is what we were warning months ago and sadly what many of us predicted has happened. Our squad is too old, too slow, too small, imbalanced and lacking cover in key areas - in short it is not a squad representative of the budget the manager has been given. Our first eleven is very, very good, but you will never, ever be able to field your first eleven for 46 games so the squad composition is vital and it is abundantly clear Clough and his team have this wrong. Our very best players remain those here before Clough and co came to the club, which in itself is disappointing. Our performance last night 2nd half and at Harrogate was every bit as bad as anything under Coughlan and Dempster and after a great few months last season I do not think we have progressed.
I'm not one for sacking managers but for me Clough has January to sort this mess out, if he doesn't there is no way on earth would I be offering him a new deal in the summer and would be looking for a younger more ambitious manager, one prepared to blood younger players and one who knew that a right back is best played at right back etc, etc.
Rob wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:I seem to quite clearly remember a long thread on here clamouring for Clough to get O'Toole signed up when his initial short term contract was coming to an end, and how relieved everyone was when it was sorted.
Bowery was the whipping boy on here when he first signed but last season he showed much better form and I don't remember any complaints when his contract was extended in the summer.
Likewise, Perch and Quinn also signed contract extensions and the general response was one of positivity.
Can someone please explain why Clough is expected to have a crystal ball and be able to predict drops in form and injury problems when none of the experts on here are able to do so ?
To be fair Dave we did predict what would happen, if you look back through the posts just before the deadline past many of us were saying the squad was too small and we desperately needed 2 centre backs and a striker. Had we signed those players and they had been better than some of the duffs Clough has signed, then I think we would be much higher in the league. Instead of signing a centre back we signed Hartigan, now what would you sooner have right now? It's absolutely not hindsight, this is what we were warning months ago and sadly what many of us predicted has happened. Our squad is too old, too slow, too small, imbalanced and lacking cover in key areas - in short it is not a squad representative of the budget the manager has been given. Our first eleven is very, very good, but you will never, ever be able to field your first eleven for 46 games so the squad composition is vital and it is abundantly clear Clough and his team have this wrong. Our very best players remain those here before Clough and co came to the club, which in itself is disappointing. Our performance last night 2nd half and at Harrogate was every bit as bad as anything under Coughlan and Dempster and after a great few months last season I do not think we have progressed.
I'm not one for sacking managers but for me Clough has January to sort this mess out, if he doesn't there is no way on earth would I be offering him a new deal in the summer and would be looking for a younger more ambitious manager, one prepared to blood younger players and one who knew that a right back is best played at right back etc, etc.
five to three wrote:Rob wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:I seem to quite clearly remember a long thread on here clamouring for Clough to get O'Toole signed up when his initial short term contract was coming to an end, and how relieved everyone was when it was sorted.
Bowery was the whipping boy on here when he first signed but last season he showed much better form and I don't remember any complaints when his contract was extended in the summer.
Likewise, Perch and Quinn also signed contract extensions and the general response was one of positivity.
Can someone please explain why Clough is expected to have a crystal ball and be able to predict drops in form and injury problems when none of the experts on here are able to do so ?
To be fair Dave we did predict what would happen, if you look back through the posts just before the deadline past many of us were saying the squad was too small and we desperately needed 2 centre backs and a striker. Had we signed those players and they had been better than some of the duffs Clough has signed, then I think we would be much higher in the league. Instead of signing a centre back we signed Hartigan, now what would you sooner have right now? It's absolutely not hindsight, this is what we were warning months ago and sadly what many of us predicted has happened. Our squad is too old, too slow, too small, imbalanced and lacking cover in key areas - in short it is not a squad representative of the budget the manager has been given. Our first eleven is very, very good, but you will never, ever be able to field your first eleven for 46 games so the squad composition is vital and it is abundantly clear Clough and his team have this wrong. Our very best players remain those here before Clough and co came to the club, which in itself is disappointing. Our performance last night 2nd half and at Harrogate was every bit as bad as anything under Coughlan and Dempster and after a great few months last season I do not think we have progressed.
I'm not one for sacking managers but for me Clough has January to sort this mess out, if he doesn't there is no way on earth would I be offering him a new deal in the summer and would be looking for a younger more ambitious manager, one prepared to blood younger players and one who knew that a right back is best played at right back etc, etc.
Agreed. Two years on and we're not where we should be.
broomo wrote:Next time I get stick and people respond by saying no-one wants him sacked I'll remind folk of this thread (and no doubt I'll take more stick).
There are clearly posters who want him fired. One point off the playoffs and more than enough games to push top 3.
Madness.
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