oldweststander wrote:A great deal is made,on this thread that the players are "Nigel's signings" well maybe that is correct but it has been made clear on several occasions that they were not his first choices.
So who is at fault, Nigel says I want this player, he is available, Mr Sharpe steps in and makes an offer and opens negotiations but the player goes elsewhere, is that Nigel's fault?
Add to that the Naylor issue, and I bet he's pleased with his change of heart, injury to James Perch and the signing of two last minute centre backs who seemingly both were either out injured or carrying an injury, alk added up to a recipe for the current disaster.
I'm a Nigel Clough fan, supporters have been hoping for him for years, now we have him and all we need now is a little luck and scramble a win. Would any available manager be any better with the current staff, I think not.
I think you make a good point.bellwhiff wrote:oldweststander wrote:A great deal is made,on this thread that the players are "Nigel's signings" well maybe that is correct but it has been made clear on several occasions that they were not his first choices.
So who is at fault, Nigel says I want this player, he is available, Mr Sharpe steps in and makes an offer and opens negotiations but the player goes elsewhere, is that Nigel's fault?
Add to that the Naylor issue, and I bet he's pleased with his change of heart, injury to James Perch and the signing of two last minute centre backs who seemingly both were either out injured or carrying an injury, alk added up to a recipe for the current disaster.
I'm a Nigel Clough fan, supporters have been hoping for him for years, now we have him and all we need now is a little luck and scramble a win. Would any available manager be any better with the current staff, I think not.
If you think it’s good man management to tell someone that they’re a second choice then I suggest you reconsider
bellwhiff wrote:oldweststander wrote:A great deal is made,on this thread that the players are "Nigel's signings" well maybe that is correct but it has been made clear on several occasions that they were not his first choices.
So who is at fault, Nigel says I want this player, he is available, Mr Sharpe steps in and makes an offer and opens negotiations but the player goes elsewhere, is that Nigel's fault?
Add to that the Naylor issue, and I bet he's pleased with his change of heart, injury to James Perch and the signing of two last minute centre backs who seemingly both were either out injured or carrying an injury, alk added up to a recipe for the current disaster.
I'm a Nigel Clough fan, supporters have been hoping for him for years, now we have him and all we need now is a little luck and scramble a win. Would any available manager be any better with the current staff, I think not.
If you think it’s good man management to tell someone that they’re a second choice then I suggest you reconsider
bellwhiff wrote:oldweststander wrote:A great deal is made,on this thread that the players are "Nigel's signings" well maybe that is correct but it has been made clear on several occasions that they were not his first choices.
So who is at fault, Nigel says I want this player, he is available, Mr Sharpe steps in and makes an offer and opens negotiations but the player goes elsewhere, is that Nigel's fault?
Add to that the Naylor issue, and I bet he's pleased with his change of heart, injury to James Perch and the signing of two last minute centre backs who seemingly both were either out injured or carrying an injury, alk added up to a recipe for the current disaster.
I'm a Nigel Clough fan, supporters have been hoping for him for years, now we have him and all we need now is a little luck and scramble a win. Would any available manager be any better with the current staff, I think not.
If you think it’s good man management to tell someone that they’re a second choice then I suggest you reconsider
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:It can also be pointed out that Nigel Clough only signed one of the four players who started in the early games who were missing yesterday - Stephen Quinn. He was our only key addition in the January transfer window and he was initially on loan.
James Perch and George Maris were signed by Graham Coughlan and Kellan Gordon was signed by John Dempster.
Regarding Clough's signings, only three of them have so far improved our squad:
Stephen Quinn
Nathan Bishop
Oli Hawkins
Elliott Hewitt has done ok at times but I'm not sure he is the long term answer to our centre half problems. Gets knocked off the ball and is not commanding enough in the air. Surely he was just signed as a squad utility player.
The rest have been very disappointing:
Oli Sarkic (injured)
Danny Johnson - Key signing who has performed below average to date
Rhys Oates - As above
Ryan Stirk (injured) - Inexperienced young lad who has only started once and is injured
Ryan Burke - inexperienced left back who does not look good enough.
Richard Nartey (injured) - Inexperienced emergency centre half signing who was awful against Walsall.
Will Forrester (injured) - Inexperienced emergency centre half signing who was injured when we signed him
George Shelvey - Inexperienced keeper who has been very poor in the two B Team Trophy games
That's a poor return from two transfer windows.
Players signed by Graham Coughlan
Ollie Clarke
George Maris
Farrend Rawson
James Perch
Harry Charsley
George Lapslie
Players signed by John Dempster
Kellan Gordon
James Clarke
Young Lads
Tyrese Sinclair
Jason Law
Keaton Ward
JR must be wanting to tear his very expensive hair out.
Sedgwick wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:It can also be pointed out that Nigel Clough only signed one of the four players who started in the early games who were missing yesterday - Stephen Quinn. He was our only key addition in the January transfer window and he was initially on loan.
James Perch and George Maris were signed by Graham Coughlan and Kellan Gordon was signed by John Dempster.
Regarding Clough's signings, only three of them have so far improved our squad:
Stephen Quinn
Nathan Bishop
Oli Hawkins
Elliott Hewitt has done ok at times but I'm not sure he is the long term answer to our centre half problems. Gets knocked off the ball and is not commanding enough in the air. Surely he was just signed as a squad utility player.
The rest have been very disappointing:
Oli Sarkic (injured)
Danny Johnson - Key signing who has performed below average to date
Rhys Oates - As above
Ryan Stirk (injured) - Inexperienced young lad who has only started once and is injured
Ryan Burke - inexperienced left back who does not look good enough.
Richard Nartey (injured) - Inexperienced emergency centre half signing who was awful against Walsall.
Will Forrester (injured) - Inexperienced emergency centre half signing who was injured when we signed him
George Shelvey - Inexperienced keeper who has been very poor in the two B Team Trophy games
That's a poor return from two transfer windows.
Players signed by Graham Coughlan
Ollie Clarke
George Maris
Farrend Rawson
James Perch
Harry Charsley
George Lapslie
Players signed by John Dempster
Kellan Gordon
James Clarke
Young Lads
Tyrese Sinclair
Jason Law
Keaton Ward
JR must be wanting to tear his very expensive hair out.
He hasn't been backed imo, were relying on cheap options throughout the squad.
Of those 9 initial targets I think we got 3 of them, Johnson, Bishop and Hawkins.
Not only Naylor we missed out on... multiple players in Scotland were targeted and we couldn't afford, a left back in this league we wouldn't pay a fee for and another CB who's at the top end of league one. Plus the lad from Leicester who chose Burton over us.
Stirk - inexperienced
Burke - inexperienced
Nartey - inexperienced, last minute
Forrester - inexperienced, last minute
Oates - Became available, chose us over wrexham/ Hartlepool
Hewitt - Cheap
Got to question the club why we've signed such inexperienced players, I think the ideal first 11 in preseason, which on paper isn't bad, covered up how poor the squad overall is.
Amber Andy wrote:I think you make a good point.bellwhiff wrote:oldweststander wrote:A great deal is made,on this thread that the players are "Nigel's signings" well maybe that is correct but it has been made clear on several occasions that they were not his first choices.
So who is at fault, Nigel says I want this player, he is available, Mr Sharpe steps in and makes an offer and opens negotiations but the player goes elsewhere, is that Nigel's fault?
Add to that the Naylor issue, and I bet he's pleased with his change of heart, injury to James Perch and the signing of two last minute centre backs who seemingly both were either out injured or carrying an injury, alk added up to a recipe for the current disaster.
I'm a Nigel Clough fan, supporters have been hoping for him for years, now we have him and all we need now is a little luck and scramble a win. Would any available manager be any better with the current staff, I think not.
If you think it’s good man management to tell someone that they’re a second choice then I suggest you reconsider
Bradders wrote:Maybe calling his selected 11 "second choice" isn't boosting morale that much!
BH_Stag wrote:Sedgwick I’m honestly shocked you think he hasn’t been backed.
He didn’t sign Hewitt because he was cheap, he signed him because he wanted him and thought he could fill in as a utility player. He was his first signing and somebody he was happy to sign very early in the window when there was still so many other options out there.
Stirk and Burke were signings to bolster the squad and were never identified to be starters. Stirk probably signed as 5th choice midfielder at best, and Clough publicly said he was very pleased with the midfield he had already, therefore a young loan option to provide competition made perfect sense on paper. It wasn’t because it was cheap, it was what he felt was required and a completely normal signing to make.
Nartey and Forrester were signed as a result of our failings in the transfer window. We had bids in for players who would have been on substantially more money. Just because we didn’t land them because they went to the league above and we ended up scraping the barrel at the 11th hour doesn’t mean he wasn’t backed - that budget was clearly there and available to him, he just didn’t manage to spend it. They simply can not be used as an example of not being backed when we know what we know about other targets.
He was backed in January when we needed to pay a fee for Lapslie. He was backed when he wanted to pay a fee for Hawkins in the summer. Backed in signing Johnson and that was his top two targets secured up top. Oates and Quinn will be on good money. He opted to give players like Gordon, Charsley, McLaughlin new contracts and fill those positions in the squad and was supported in doing so. I believe he has been backed and was given the license to shape the squad as he saw fit and it hasn’t materialised. Fair enough you may know about a left back we wouldn’t pay for, but I don’t think that takes it to a level to say he hasn’t been supported
NEStag wrote:Three weeks ago it was the defence.
Two weeks ago it was Hawkins having to play in defence meant the forward line was weak.
And this week it’s the midfield.
I had a double take when he said we were missing Stirk. As said above he’s fifth choice and when he’s been fit he’s barely played him.
NEStag wrote:Three weeks ago it was the defence.
Two weeks ago it was Hawkins having to play in defence meant the forward line was weak.
And this week it’s the midfield.
I had a double take when he said we were missing Stirk. As said above he’s fifth choice and when he’s been fit he’s barely played him.
BH_Stag wrote:Sedgwick I’m honestly shocked you think he hasn’t been backed.
He didn’t sign Hewitt because he was cheap, he signed him because he wanted him and thought he could fill in as a utility player. He was his first signing and somebody he was happy to sign very early in the window when there was still so many other options out there.
Stirk and Burke were signings to bolster the squad and were never identified to be starters. Stirk probably signed as 5th choice midfielder at best, and Clough publicly said he was very pleased with the midfield he had already, therefore a young loan option to provide competition made perfect sense on paper. It wasn’t because it was cheap, it was what he felt was required and a completely normal signing to make.
Nartey and Forrester were signed as a result of our failings in the transfer window. We had bids in for players who would have been on substantially more money. Just because we didn’t land them because they went to the league above and we ended up scraping the barrel at the 11th hour doesn’t mean he wasn’t backed - that budget was clearly there and available to him, he just didn’t manage to spend it. They simply can not be used as an example of not being backed when we know what we know about other targets.
He was backed in January when we needed to pay a fee for Lapslie. He was backed when he wanted to pay a fee for Hawkins in the summer. Backed in signing Johnson and that was his top two targets secured up top. Oates and Quinn will be on good money. He opted to give players like Gordon, Charsley, McLaughlin new contracts and fill those positions in the squad and was supported in doing so. I believe he has been backed and was given the license to shape the squad as he saw fit and it hasn’t materialised. Fair enough you may know about a left back we wouldn’t pay for, but I don’t think that takes it to a level to say he hasn’t been supported
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Stirk has made two starts for Birmingham City and has made one fairly average start for the Stags in a defeat at Walsall. He has not produced the goods on the pitch yet so to compare his loss to George Maris and Stephen Quinn is a very weak nonsensical argument by Nigel Clough. I bet most of the other League 2 managers don't even know who Stirk is.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:.....but what has Ryan Stirk actually done to justify this high praise of him? He may turn out to be a great signing but it's far too early to say at the moment. It must also be a real kick in the teeth for the other midfield players like Harry Charsley, Keaton Ward and Jason Law. It's not likely to boost their confidence. Why do we even have them in the squad if Nigel Clough clearly thinks that they are not good enough. If that's the case then he should have released them.
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