Dp1976 wrote:Just out of interest other than Quinn that’s injured are we missing so badly ?
adamstag wrote:He’s got to be given more time, sacking him would be madness.
The football is poor, we all know that but i can’t see what sacking him would prove
StagInHucknall wrote:adamstag wrote:He’s got to be given more time, sacking him would be madness.
The football is poor, we all know that but i can’t see what sacking him would prove
It’s not madness. JR will be noting the falling attendances at home, the poor morale in the stands, in the dressing room etc and have no choice but to act sooner or later.
oldweststander wrote:What would be achieved by sacking Clough. The only managers interested in coming here would be those who have been sacked by their last club.
The playing staff cannot change until January when we willbe in the thick of a relegation fight and that won't attract any better players than we already have.
The turning point was James Perch's injury and then, for whatever reason, not recruiting a decent centre back.
Someone has to take the wrap for that, should it be Nigel or Sharpe, we don't know and unlikely to ever find out?
StagInHucknall wrote:adamstag wrote:He’s got to be given more time, sacking him would be madness.
The football is poor, we all know that but i can’t see what sacking him would prove
It’s not madness. JR will be noting the falling attendances at home, the poor morale in the stands, in the dressing room etc and have no choice but to act sooner or later.
I agree too.Rob wrote:oldweststander wrote:What would be achieved by sacking Clough. The only managers interested in coming here would be those who have been sacked by their last club.
The playing staff cannot change until January when we willbe in the thick of a relegation fight and that won't attract any better players than we already have.
The turning point was James Perch's injury and then, for whatever reason, not recruiting a decent centre back.
Someone has to take the wrap for that, should it be Nigel or Sharpe, we don't know and unlikely to ever find out?
I agree, any new manager now would only have the same tools to work with. It's time for Clough, his coaches and the players to step up. No improvement by the end of Dec then even my patience will have worn out.
gazza1988 wrote:Sacking Clough not the right way to go. He's been unfortunate. It is however a big January window for him. This'll be his 3rd transfer window and just has to pull something out the hat. We have to improve.
Give him until January, see where we are. He had the new manager bounce and the players stepped up. So he decided to renew contracts and stick in January. Once the honeymoon period ended the cracks formed again. He started slating the defence and then went with the same again this season. The new manager can't come in and judge the players based on the "bounce" like Clough did.
MTFCMusings wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Sacking Clough not the right way to go. He's been unfortunate. It is however a big January window for him. This'll be his 3rd transfer window and just has to pull something out the hat. We have to improve.
Give him until January, see where we are. He had the new manager bounce and the players stepped up. So he decided to renew contracts and stick in January. Once the honeymoon period ended the cracks formed again. He started slating the defence and then went with the same again this season. The new manager can't come in and judge the players based on the "bounce" like Clough did.
Im sorry Gazza but he’s not getting to January unless he wins at least one game.
MTFCMusings wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Sacking Clough not the right way to go. He's been unfortunate. It is however a big January window for him. This'll be his 3rd transfer window and just has to pull something out the hat. We have to improve.
Give him until January, see where we are. He had the new manager bounce and the players stepped up. So he decided to renew contracts and stick in January. Once the honeymoon period ended the cracks formed again. He started slating the defence and then went with the same again this season. The new manager can't come in and judge the players based on the "bounce" like Clough did.
Im sorry Gazza but he’s not getting to January unless he wins at least one game.
bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
Sedgwick wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
I can see us sticking with him, limping into Jan around the bottom 4. The odd win and draw and then some player movement.
Burke, J. Clarke, Nartey, Bowrey, Hewitt, Clarke Out... on loan or whatever is needed to shift them. Some are not good enough and some are not ready.
Bring in experienced players. Clough said at the back end of last year the leagues best players were the oldest and most experienced who had played at a higher level.... go and sign some. Get a leader at the back and a player with a bit of spark in midfield and a forward that actually looks interested.
This side lacks a spine, Bishop is a brilliant starting point, go and build something worth watching in front of him.
Amber Andy wrote:I agree too.Rob wrote:oldweststander wrote:What would be achieved by sacking Clough. The only managers interested in coming here would be those who have been sacked by their last club.
The playing staff cannot change until January when we willbe in the thick of a relegation fight and that won't attract any better players than we already have.
The turning point was James Perch's injury and then, for whatever reason, not recruiting a decent centre back.
Someone has to take the wrap for that, should it be Nigel or Sharpe, we don't know and unlikely to ever find out?
I agree, any new manager now would only have the same tools to work with. It's time for Clough, his coaches and the players to step up. No improvement by the end of Dec then even my patience will have worn out.
Whitehalls Left Foot wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
I'm not saying that I'm fully done with Clough and I do believe he will get at least until end of November however, the cost of sacking NC and his staff vs the cost of relegation and funding 1, 2, 3 years of National League and any promotion push still costs with reduced income and it would be JR obvs funding it !
arsene wengers coat wrote:Whitehalls Left Foot wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:How long did Clough sign a contract for? 3 years? If so that's two years of paying him off, and Crosby and Simon Clough too. Not sure if there's anyone else who would leave if Clough did, but sacking all these staff members won't be cheap either.
I'm not saying that I'm fully done with Clough and I do believe he will get at least until end of November however, the cost of sacking NC and his staff vs the cost of relegation and funding 1, 2, 3 years of National League and any promotion push still costs with reduced income and it would be JR obvs funding it !
Yeah and add to the that the sheer embarrassment to the Radfords of being tarnished with another jaunt in the conference.
It will cost them to maintain this. And is suspect they will have a MS Teams meeting that will go something like this:
"Nigel, thanks for trying to operate on a shoestring, but we can't risk it, so please go in to the transfer window and spend what you like on the best you can get. This experiment hasn't worked"
broomo wrote:StagInHucknall wrote:adamstag wrote:He’s got to be given more time, sacking him would be madness.
The football is poor, we all know that but i can’t see what sacking him would prove
It’s not madness. JR will be noting the falling attendances at home, the poor morale in the stands, in the dressing room etc and have no choice but to act sooner or later.
3900 v Barrow.
4599 v Harrogate.
4566 v Oldham.
JR will be noting what falling attendances?
StagInHucknall wrote:broomo wrote:StagInHucknall wrote:adamstag wrote:He’s got to be given more time, sacking him would be madness.
The football is poor, we all know that but i can’t see what sacking him would prove
It’s not madness. JR will be noting the falling attendances at home, the poor morale in the stands, in the dressing room etc and have no choice but to act sooner or later.
3900 v Barrow.
4599 v Harrogate.
4566 v Oldham.
JR will be noting what falling attendances?
Not sure why you've put it in that funny order.
But here's the home league stats in order for all to see:
Bristol Rovers 6,346 - (1,388 away) = 4958
Newport 3,793 - (156) = 3637
Bradford 6,058 - (1,589) = 4469
Harrogate 4,599 - (155) = 4444
Rochdale 4,336 - (381) = 3955
Barrow 3,931 - (190) = 3741
Oldham 4,526 - (496) = 4030
We can assume Newport is a blip and people were on holiday made other plans and/or 4 games in 20 days is too much etc.
A steady decline.
So as I said JR will be taking note.
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