chris wilson wrote:I'm not accounting for individual errors and goals conceded from set pieces but mostly all the goals we've conceded this season have been from balls into the box from wide channels.
bobbystagsfan wrote:northern stag wrote:VP said ‘This is the weakest defence that I have seen in 50 years! Two poor centre-backs and two full backs who are not even full backs. The warning signs were there last season’
You did see Neil Moore and Mark Lever didnt you ??
Or our relegation season into non league.
I'd probably say there were some pairings in non league that were a lot worse too.
Vice President wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:northern stag wrote:VP said ‘This is the weakest defence that I have seen in 50 years! Two poor centre-backs and two full backs who are not even full backs. The warning signs were there last season’
You did see Neil Moore and Mark Lever didnt you ??
Or our relegation season into non league.
I'd probably say there were some pairings in non league that were a lot worse too.
Yes - Lever & Moore were certainly the worst centre-back pairing I've ever seen. However, I am taking into account the entire back four. And looking at the full backs, Gordon is the worst full back i have seen since Prindeville. (I can't remember if Prindeville played on the right or left). Furthermore, the other full back (McLaughlin) is actually a winger. Overall, this back four seems very disjointed and weak.
With regards to the 'relegation' back four: Buxton & Baptiste were good defenders (as their careers proved) - the biggest problem that season was the goal keeper.
With regards to the non-league - we had some quite good defences: Dempster, Jones, Big Ex, O'Neill, Beavers, Sutton, Jennings, Taylor, etc.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our best centre half partnership in recent times playing a back four has been Krystian Pearce and Rhys Bennett. We should have tried to sign Bennett again when he was released by Carlisle United. I'm sure we could have matched what Steve Evans was offering at Gillingham. I also would have liked to have signed Aaron Hayden from Carlisle United but Wrexham are said to have paid £200,000-£250,000 for him.
There was also Ben Tozer and Will Boyle at Cheltenham but they would have also required transfer fees with Ben Tozer also being sold to Wrexham for £250,000.
I also liked Anthony O'Connor (Morecambe), Pierce Sweeney, Jordan Tunnicliffe, Dan Happe and Tom Davies (Tranmere) from watching League 2 games last season.
Looking at the players released by League 1/2 clubs, there were also a few other decent experienced centre halfs who might have done a job for us
League 2
Will Aimson (Bolton)
Olly Lancashire (Southampton)
Scott Wootton (Morecambe)
Tom Davies (Tranmere Rovers)
Ryan Delaney (Morecambe)
Tom Clarke (Fleetwood Town)
Manny Monthe (Walsall)
Rory McArdle (Harrogate Town)
Tom Parkes (Livingston)
Sid Nelson (Northampton Town)
George Ray (Exeter City)
Dan Scarr (Plymouth Argyle)
Nat Knight-Percival (Tranmere Rovers)
Sedgwick wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our best centre half partnership in recent times playing a back four has been Krystian Pearce and Rhys Bennett. We should have tried to sign Bennett again when he was released by Carlisle United. I'm sure we could have matched what Steve Evans was offering at Gillingham. I also would have liked to have signed Aaron Hayden from Carlisle United but Wrexham are said to have paid £200,000-£250,000 for him.
There was also Ben Tozer and Will Boyle at Cheltenham but they would have also required transfer fees with Ben Tozer also being sold to Wrexham for £250,000.
I also liked Anthony O'Connor (Morecambe), Pierce Sweeney, Jordan Tunnicliffe, Dan Happe and Tom Davies (Tranmere) from watching League 2 games
Looking at the players released by League 1/2 clubs, there were also a few other decent experienced centre halfs who might have done a job for us
League 2
Will Aimson (Bolton)
Olly Lancashire (Southampton)
Scott Wootton (Morecambe)
Tom Davies (Tranmere Rovers)
Ryan Delaney (Morecambe)
Tom Clarke (Fleetwood Town)
Manny Monthe (Walsall)
Rory McArdle (Harrogate Town)
Tom Parkes (Livingston)
Sid Nelson (Northampton Town)
George Ray (Exeter City)
Dan Scarr (Plymouth Argyle)
Nat Knight-Percival (Tranmere Rovers)
Thing is, the staff will only sign players they're are aware of or have scouted thoroughly... there's some weird belief on here that they scout every player who's in any league and its poor management when we don't sign someone brilliant after missing out on xy and z... they have a number of targets for a reason.
yellowstagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our best centre half partnership in recent times playing a back four has been Krystian Pearce and Rhys Bennett. We should have tried to sign Bennett again when he was released by Carlisle United. I'm sure we could have matched what Steve Evans was offering at Gillingham. I also would have liked to have signed Aaron Hayden from Carlisle United but Wrexham are said to have paid £200,000-£250,000 for him.
There was also Ben Tozer and Will Boyle at Cheltenham but they would have also required transfer fees with Ben Tozer also being sold to Wrexham for £250,000.
I also liked Anthony O'Connor (Morecambe), Pierce Sweeney, Jordan Tunnicliffe, Dan Happe and Tom Davies (Tranmere) from watching League 2 games
Looking at the players released by League 1/2 clubs, there were also a few other decent experienced centre halfs who might have done a job for us
League 2
Will Aimson (Bolton)
Olly Lancashire (Southampton)
Scott Wootton (Morecambe)
Tom Davies (Tranmere Rovers)
Ryan Delaney (Morecambe)
Tom Clarke (Fleetwood Town)
Manny Monthe (Walsall)
Rory McArdle (Harrogate Town)
Tom Parkes (Livingston)
Sid Nelson (Northampton Town)
George Ray (Exeter City)
Dan Scarr (Plymouth Argyle)
Nat Knight-Percival (Tranmere Rovers)
Thing is, the staff will only sign players they're are aware of or have scouted thoroughly... there's some weird belief on here that they scout every player who's in any league and its poor management when we don't sign someone brilliant after missing out on xy and z... they have a number of targets for a reason.
Krystian Pearce was available and would have been better than what we currently have
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Rollin Menayese should not have been allowed to join Walsall on loan until we had recruited a quality fit replacement. If we still had Rollin in the squad on transfer deadline day then I do not think Nigel Clough would have allowed him to leave the building bearing in mind Richard Nartey was carrying a knock and Will Forrester was injured. Sam Hughes was also injured.
bear 73 wrote:Sometimes rather than just take bodies, you are better bringing in our young players and giving them experience like we did last year.
Near the end of September now, and quality players will have been snapped up.
Better to take a step back than rush into a panic mode. We have a tried and tested recruiting policy, and a system that puts players as young has 16 on the pitch.
walk and get there, always beats rushing and falling, remember the turtle and the hare
bear 73 wrote:Sometimes rather than just take bodies, you are better bringing in our young players and giving them experience like we did last year.
Near the end of September now, and quality players will have been snapped up.
Better to take a step back than rush into a panic mode. We have a tried and tested recruiting policy, and a system that puts players as young has 16 on the pitch.
walk and get there, always beats rushing and falling, remember the turtle and the hare
Sedgwick wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our best centre half partnership in recent times playing a back four has been Krystian Pearce and Rhys Bennett. We should have tried to sign Bennett again when he was released by Carlisle United. I'm sure we could have matched what Steve Evans was offering at Gillingham. I also would have liked to have signed Aaron Hayden from Carlisle United but Wrexham are said to have paid £200,000-£250,000 for him.
There was also Ben Tozer and Will Boyle at Cheltenham but they would have also required transfer fees with Ben Tozer also being sold to Wrexham for £250,000.
I also liked Anthony O'Connor (Morecambe), Pierce Sweeney, Jordan Tunnicliffe, Dan Happe and Tom Davies (Tranmere) from watching League 2 games last season.
Looking at the players released by League 1/2 clubs, there were also a few other decent experienced centre halfs who might have done a job for us
League 2
Will Aimson (Bolton)
Olly Lancashire (Southampton)
Scott Wootton (Morecambe)
Tom Davies (Tranmere Rovers)
Ryan Delaney (Morecambe)
Tom Clarke (Fleetwood Town)
Manny Monthe (Walsall)
Rory McArdle (Harrogate Town)
Tom Parkes (Livingston)
Sid Nelson (Northampton Town)
George Ray (Exeter City)
Dan Scarr (Plymouth Argyle)
Nat Knight-Percival (Tranmere Rovers)
Thing is, the staff will only sign players they're are aware of or have scouted thoroughly... there's some weird belief on here that they scout every player who's in any league and its poor management when we don't sign someone brilliant after missing out on xy and z... they have a number of targets for a reason.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Rollin Menayese should not have been allowed to join Walsall on loan until we had recruited a quality fit replacement. If we still had Rollin in the squad on transfer deadline day then I do not think Nigel Clough would have allowed him to leave the building bearing in mind Richard Nartey was carrying a knock and Will Forrester was injured. Sam Hughes was also injured.
bellwhiff wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Rollin Menayese should not have been allowed to join Walsall on loan until we had recruited a quality fit replacement. If we still had Rollin in the squad on transfer deadline day then I do not think Nigel Clough would have allowed him to leave the building bearing in mind Richard Nartey was carrying a knock and Will Forrester was injured. Sam Hughes was also injured.
100pc spot on. Wonder what Don Howe will have to say about that.
Johnny H wrote:The season we got relegated it was certainly not Jason White's fault we went down.
He only played around 14 or 15 games that season and kept 5 or 6 clean sheets.
We were already well doomed when the freak goal went in against Rotherham....and many of the best GK's in the world have conceded goals like that since
KirkbyStag2 wrote:Johnny H wrote:The season we got relegated it was certainly not Jason White's fault we went down.
He only played around 14 or 15 games that season and kept 5 or 6 clean sheets.
We were already well doomed when the freak goal went in against Rotherham....and many of the best GK's in the world have conceded goals like that since
If we had drawn 0-0 v Rotherham, instead of losing 0-1 from a goal hit from near the dug outs (Bishop Street side), this would have been the league table,
.................PLD....PTS.....GD
Dag & Red...45......46......-23
Stags..........45......43.....-17
Wrexham....45......37......-34
So a Stags win at Dag & Red on the last day of the season would have been enough for Stags to stay up on goal difference.
That dreadful goal v Rotherham was crucial and was the nail in the coffin.
broomo wrote:bellwhiff wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Rollin Menayese should not have been allowed to join Walsall on loan until we had recruited a quality fit replacement. If we still had Rollin in the squad on transfer deadline day then I do not think Nigel Clough would have allowed him to leave the building bearing in mind Richard Nartey was carrying a knock and Will Forrester was injured. Sam Hughes was also injured.
100pc spot on. Wonder what Don Howe will have to say about that.
Can't resist having a little dig can you?
I know who's posts I'd rather read and who's knowledge I trust more.
Hint, it's not yours Parky's or the trolls.
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