Clough & Lewis press conference, Tue 27 Feb

[arsene wengers coat]

How can committing a foul be cheating?

Martin has said exactly how it is. Why do people insist
On trying to be controversial. Fouling someone is not
Cheating. If most fouls are given as cheating then god help us

So what is cheating, only blood doping or ignoring FFP?

Some fouls are practically in the coaching manuals of the game. A tactical, cynical, calculated foul is cheating and presumes the punishment is worth the alternative of letting the player advance fairly. we’ve done it, we’ve expected it, we've had.it.done to us, and when we have we called for a red or yellow card. It's punishable the same as dive or a leg-breaking tackle. But what has a big foul got in common with a little foul? Correct. They're both fouls. And fouls are cheating, hence why they are punishable.

Remind me never to play Scrabble with some on here. You make up words - but not big scoring words with the J and the Z, just little words with a couple of extra vowels!

[Oladamber66]

FGS change the subject

[Ralphy]

Don’t worry AWC I’m sure we will lose a game soon to give you something to complain about!!

[bobbystagsfan]

How can committing a foul be cheating?

Martin has said exactly how it is. Why do people insist
On trying to be controversial. Fouling someone is not
Cheating. If most fouls are given as cheating then god help us

So what is cheating, only blood doping or ignoring FFP?

Some fouls are practically in the coaching manuals of the game. A tactical, cynical, calculated foul is cheating and presumes the punishment is worth the alternative of letting the player advance fairly. we’ve done it, we’ve expected it, we've had.it.done to us, and when we have we called for a red or yellow card. It's punishable the same as dive or a leg-breaking tackle. But what has a big foul got in common with a little foul? Correct. They're both fouls. And fouls are cheating, hence why they are punishable.

Remind me never to play Scrabble with some on here. You make up words - but not big scoring words with the J and the Z, just little words with a couple of extra vowels!

so if Reed trips over an opposition player trying to win the ball but gives away a foul, has he cheated in your eyes?

[arsene wengers coat]

How can committing a foul be cheating?

Martin has said exactly how it is. Why do people insist
On trying to be controversial. Fouling someone is not
Cheating. If most fouls are given as cheating then god help us

So what is cheating, only blood doping or ignoring FFP?

Some fouls are practically in the coaching manuals of the game. A tactical, cynical, calculated foul is cheating and presumes the punishment is worth the alternative of letting the player advance fairly. we’ve done it, we’ve expected it, we've had.it.done to us, and when we have we called for a red or yellow card. It's punishable the same as dive or a leg-breaking tackle. But what has a big foul got in common with a little foul? Correct. They're both fouls. And fouls are cheating, hence why they are punishable.

Remind me never to play Scrabble with some on here. You make up words - but not big scoring words with the J and the Z, just little words with a couple of extra vowels!

so if Reed trips over an opposition player trying to win the ball but gives away a foul, has he cheated in your eyes?

No. But this is because he's 'trying to win the ball'. The discussion was of purposely fouling a player to stop them, and is that cheating. And now it's about what the definition of cheating is in the context of a football match. It might not be cheating, or it might be, but it's definitely against the rules. Opinions eh.

[Rob]

What a ridiculous debate this is

I would wager every player ‘cheats’ at least once a game by some peoples definition.

Which is probably accurate.

It appears some continue to fail to understand what discussion forum means, if you aren't interested in the discussion feel free to raspberry off

[bobbystagsfan]

How can committing a foul be cheating?

Martin has said exactly how it is. Why do people insist
On trying to be controversial. Fouling someone is not
Cheating. If most fouls are given as cheating then god help us

So what is cheating, only blood doping or ignoring FFP?

Some fouls are practically in the coaching manuals of the game. A tactical, cynical, calculated foul is cheating and presumes the punishment is worth the alternative of letting the player advance fairly. we’ve done it, we’ve expected it, we've had.it.done to us, and when we have we called for a red or yellow card. It's punishable the same as dive or a leg-breaking tackle. But what has a big foul got in common with a little foul? Correct. They're both fouls. And fouls are cheating, hence why they are punishable.

Remind me never to play Scrabble with some on here. You make up words - but not big scoring words with the J and the Z, just little words with a couple of extra vowels!

so if Reed trips over an opposition player trying to win the ball but gives away a foul, has he cheated in your eyes?

No.

Hmmm I thought you said fouls are cheating

[scotsstag]

I get it's not all black and white. We've never been any good at the dark arts like time wasting, going down easily under minimal contact to con the ref, or feigning injury.

Not sure about that awc, Danny Rose was a master at it

[tillydog123]

Let’s move on to Newport and 3 points

[Spiritater]

How can committing a foul be cheating?

Martin has said exactly how it is. Why do people insist
On trying to be controversial. Fouling someone is not
Cheating. If most fouls are given as cheating then god help us

So what is cheating, only blood doping or ignoring FFP?

Some fouls are practically in the coaching manuals of the game. A tactical, cynical, calculated foul is cheating and presumes the punishment is worth the alternative of letting the player advance fairly. we’ve done it, we’ve expected it, we've had.it.done to us, and when we have we called for a red or yellow card. It's punishable the same as dive or a leg-breaking tackle. But what has a big foul got in common with a little foul? Correct. They're both fouls. And fouls are cheating, hence why they are punishable.

Remind me never to play Scrabble with some on here. You make up words - but not big scoring words with the J and the Z, just little words with a couple of extra vowels!

so if Reed trips over an opposition player trying to win the ball but gives away a foul, has he cheated in your eyes?

No. But this is because he's 'trying to win the ball'. The discussion was of purposely fouling a player to stop them, and is that cheating. And now it's about what the definition of cheating is in the context of a football match. It might not be cheating, or it might be, but it's definitely against the rules. Opinions eh.

So on Saturday Lucas was repeatedly pushed by Tilt with his hands in the back whilst challenging for high balls. This is 'cheating' Isn't it, because if done it should be a foul as it's not allowed in the rules of the game.

[Chrisuknottm]

This thread and the fact that some people love the sight of their own words is what is forcing people away from Stagsnet so as not to intrude on a core of posters who treat it like their own particular fiefdom.

[jpstags]

This thread and the fact that some people love the sight of their own words is what is forcing people away from Stagsnet so as not to intrude on a core of posters who treat it like their own particular fiefdom.

This exactly .

[Showaddywaddy]

I’m quite enjoying this to be honest. First world problems of a Mansfield Town supporter, top of the league so we need to discuss whether a foul is cheating or not.

If I two footed the Bishop Street would that be deemed as a foul to seek an unfair demolition advantage or is it blatantly cheating like leaving a pie heater on?

[Sneag]

I always took the view as a Sunday League clogger that a foul wasn't cheating as I was 100% sure I wouldn't get away with it. I wasn't conning the ref, I was just kicking an opponents legs from under him to allow us time to regroup & me to have a breather.

I don't even have an issue with time wasting, as frustrating as it is when you are losing, I want us to do it when we're winning. That's just good game management.

Diving is altogether more snide.

[cassellswasmagic]

I definitely advocate “cheating”…as long as we’re the beneficiaries. I’m sick of us not getting certain decisions because we don’t “cheat” or play at the dark arts…it’s time we joined the other 91 league clubs and started doing it.

[oldweststander]

What a pathetic thread.

If anyone thinks fouling in football is cheating then you are watching the wrong sport, try darts..

[MTFCMusings]

What a pathetic thread.

If anyone thinks fouling in football is cheating then you are watching the wrong sport, try darts..

I've tried telling them that 180 times

[mhs]

Some of you are completely missing the point that there's a difference between intentional and unintentional.
Incredibly hard for the ref to make the call and this is the reason it's so entrenched in the game.
Intentional fouling as far as I'm concerned is cheating.
It's just accepted as part of the game now and I think that's wrong and sad that we've lost the spirit of sportsmanship and honesty.

[lifestags]

Unfortunately every decent teams has a ''dirty'' side to them, its common now to bring a player down before they start attacks. Hence the FA trying to bring in Blue cards.

As soon as the Salford lad picked the ball up I was wanting us to bring him down and take the yellow.

[part time pete]

Unfortunately every decent teams has a ''dirty'' side to them, its common now to bring a player down before they start attacks. Hence the FA trying to bring in Blue cards.

As soon as the Salford lad picked the ball up I was wanting us to bring him down and take the yellow.

Like Cargill did early on to get his booking.

[Captain Cunno]

Unfortunately every decent teams has a ''dirty'' side to them, its common now to bring a player down before they start attacks. Hence the FA trying to bring in Blue cards.

As soon as the Salford lad picked the ball up I was wanting us to bring him down and take the yellow.

Pretty sure an out field player picking the ball up is cheating...

[Showaddywaddy]

Unfortunately every decent teams has a ''dirty'' side to them, its common now to bring a player down before they start attacks. Hence the FA trying to bring in Blue cards.

As soon as the Salford lad picked the ball up I was wanting us to bring him down and take the yellow.

Pretty sure an out field player picking the ball up is cheating...

Ah memories of Carlton Palmer v Leeds in the Coca Cola Cup.

[Martin Shaw]

[cassellswasmagic]

Unfortunately every decent teams has a ''dirty'' side to them, its common now to bring a player down before they start attacks. Hence the FA trying to bring in Blue cards.

As soon as the Salford lad picked the ball up I was wanting us to bring him down and take the yellow.

Leeds United were the best at it.

[zod]

A foul is part of the game.
Some as a result of poorly timed tackle, others tactical around the centre circle to prevent an attack (Pep Guardiola's favourite).
Some could be deemed as cheating but part and parcel of the game.