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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby tillydog123 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:15 pm

U could not make it up
Key players out already after a good window
Stags seem destined to have to stay in league 2 yet another season
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:26 pm

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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:18 pm

I thought Connor Brown (31) was a free agent at right back. He started off at Sheff Utd and played 76(13) league games for Oldham and 71(19) league games for Barrow. Barrow fans rated him as a no nonense right back who puts a shift in but it looks like he signed for Buxton.

Other free agents listed on various websites

Defenders
Joe Maguire
Luke Prosser
Leon Legge
Paul Downing

Midfield
Matty Willock
Anthony Grant
Calum Butcher
Callum McManaman
Danny Rowe
Christopher Missilou
Zain Westbrooke
Chris Maguire

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Connor Wickham
Leon Clarke
Tom Elliott
Theo Robinson
Joe Dodoo
Oumar Niasse
Nathan Delfouneso
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:46 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I thought Connor Brown (31) was a free agent at right back. He started off at Sheff Utd and played 76(13) league games for Oldham and 71(19) league games for Barrow. Barrow fans rated him as a no nonense right back who puts a shift in but it looks like he signed for Buxton.

Other free agents listed on various websites

Defenders
Joe Maguire
Luke Prosser
Leon Legge
Paul Downing

Midfield
Matty Willock
Anthony Grant
Calum Butcher
Callum McManaman
Danny Rowe
Christopher Missilou
Zain Westbrooke
Chris Maguire

Forwards
Connor Wickham
Leon Clarke
Tom Elliott
Theo Robinson
Joe Dodoo
Oumar Niasse
Nathan Delfouneso


Andre Wisdom is a free agent too.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Harrington St Stag » Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:25 pm

Surprised and disappointed to hear NC state if Pym is fully fit he gets the start. He contradicted himself on that slightly elsewhere in the interview so maybe not and I misunderstood.

On the evidence of two games Flinders appears to be the better keeper and have better distribution.

We’ll know at 2pm on Saturday
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby MTFCMusings » Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:35 pm

Harrington St Stag wrote:Surprised and disappointed to hear NC state if Pym is fully fit he gets the start. He contradicted himself on that slightly elsewhere in the interview so maybe not and I misunderstood.

On the evidence of two games Flinders appears to be the better keeper and have better distribution.

We’ll know at 2pm on Saturday


Pym will start if fully fit, NC has been clear on this all along.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:50 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Harrington St Stag wrote:Surprised and disappointed to hear NC state if Pym is fully fit he gets the start. He contradicted himself on that slightly elsewhere in the interview so maybe not and I misunderstood.

On the evidence of two games Flinders appears to be the better keeper and have better distribution.

We’ll know at 2pm on Saturday


Pym will start if fully fit, NC has been clear on this all along.


Feel like that’s the wrong choice. I’ve seen Flinders make more genuinely good saves these past two games than Pym has all season.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby part time pete » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:07 pm

Anyone with a strapped up finger can’t be fully fit, surely.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:18 pm

part time pete wrote:Anyone with a strapped up finger can’t be fully fit, surely.


;) Pete its Tuesday ;)
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby part time pete » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:25 pm

STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:
part time pete wrote:Anyone with a strapped up finger can’t be fully fit, surely.


;) Pete its Tuesday ;)


More than two and a half hours yet :lol:
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:28 pm

part time pete wrote:
STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:
part time pete wrote:Anyone with a strapped up finger can’t be fully fit, surely.


;) Pete its Tuesday ;)


More than two and a half hours yet :lol:



I think The One might be out for revenge ;) :lol:
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby yorkshire stag » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:42 pm

i’m sort of thinking part of the deal with Pyms loan is he’s number 1 maybe?

Been impressed with Flinders, his height & commanding of box seems better plus his kicking is goal assist as know !
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby marksay » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:23 pm

When NC says it’s very unlucky this season with injuries, hello Mr Interviewer Mirror of last season .

It’s as many say size of the squad too small
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:09 am

marksay wrote:When NC says it’s very unlucky this season with injuries, hello Mr Interviewer Mirror of last season .

It’s as many say size of the squad too small


Yep. We were all saying the same thing last season, and the season before that. How ‘unlucky’ we are with injuries. Fact is, we’ve got a relatively injury prone set of players and I can’t see it changing. We’ll keep up picking up knocks/injuries at an above average rate this season I’m sure.

I looked at squad sizes for about half the teams in league two and counted how many outfield options they all had at the club compared to our 22. It’s fair to say most teams were in the 27/28/29 range for outfield players, compared to our 22 (which includes youngsters like Gale and Knowles who aren’t serious options). Was interesting to see.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby The One » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:21 am

Maybe Flicker was right re injuries and the training ground ?
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby Dan » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:57 am

The One wrote:Maybe Flicker was right re injuries and the training ground ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: If the injuries had happened at the training ground then yes, but they didn’t.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:02 am

I think Clough has said in his interviews that when they have to train on the artificial pitch some players can’t play on there, so there was some truth to it.
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Re: Injury update: Clough press conference, Tue 7 Feb

Postby bellwhiff » Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:26 am

bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:How many times is a failure to provide a squad depth allowed before it becomes a systemic failure of management?



How many times have a team had 3 key players injured in the first half an hour with the first two being new signings?

Look beyond that game. If you can.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby tmwilson » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:31 am

I'd like to know how many other teams in our league have quality back ups for nearly every position? Just doesn't happen.. This is league Two, not the Premiership.
All the years I've been supporting this club, I've never known the injuries like we have had for the last two seasons. When everyl player is fit or majority are, we have more than enough. I heard fans taking in the pub at Bradford saying Clough now has a dilemma on selection.
The injuries and bad luck we have had would affect every club in our league. Even the Premiership fans moan about their star players missing.
3 keepers, 2 left backs, 5 who can play Cb, 2 rbs. Not including Akins and Bowery as cover., 7 who can play in the middle and 6 who can play up front..More than enough.
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Re: Injury update: Clough press conference, Tue 7 Feb

Postby bobbystagsfan » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:36 am

bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:How many times is a failure to provide a squad depth allowed before it becomes a systemic failure of management?



How many times have a team had 3 key players injured in the first half an hour with the first two being new signings?

Look beyond that game. If you can.



You do realise we could have adequate backups for each position and still end up short through injuries?

I'd love to have 3 quality players per position, it ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Injury update: Clough press conference, Tue 7 Feb

Postby bellwhiff » Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:42 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:How many times is a failure to provide a squad depth allowed before it becomes a systemic failure of management?



How many times have a team had 3 key players injured in the first half an hour with the first two being new signings?

Look beyond that game. If you can.



You do realise we could have adequate backups for each position and still end up short through injuries?

I'd love to have 3 quality players per position, it ain't gonna happen.

Most players can cover a couple of positions. We haven’t got anyone who realistically can cover LB.
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby cassellswasmagic » Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:44 pm

It’s a fine line between enough cover…ie a big squad sat there waiting for injuries etc and a smaller squad where every player is involved and you’re hoping there’s no massive injury list. I don’t think Clough is far off, but we seem to be blighted with some bad injuries in the last year.
Also I think Pym hasn’t done much wrong, and hasn’t been helped by some poor defensive displays. Is it a coincidence that Kilgour has come in and we look a bit better at the back which helps the keeper. For me the keeper should’ve saved Cooks header…it wasn’t difficult really!
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Re: Injury update: Clough press conference, Tue 7 Feb

Postby The One » Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:57 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:How many times is a failure to provide a squad depth allowed before it becomes a systemic failure of management?



How many times have a team had 3 key players injured in the first half an hour with the first two being new signings?

Look beyond that game. If you can.



You do realise we could have adequate backups for each position and still end up short through injuries?

I'd love to have 3 quality players per position, it ain't gonna happen.

Most players can cover a couple of positions. We haven’t got anyone who realistically can cover LB.


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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby bear 73 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:08 pm

Three players for each position yes that sounds about right square pegs in square holes spot on.
We now have a 22 man squad, so 11 players required, So our budget has to go up by a third . dig deep JR.
Dont put season tickets up or prise of admission, the fans are paying enough,
18 in a match day squad ,so we can have 15 players injured or sitting in the stand, Banqueting hall plus free parking of coarse.
With quality you have to pay so 22 players biting into the budget means you can invest in quality,.
Looking into non-league football their are players there we could not afford.
.As a community the ground and infrastructure must also be improved, not throwing cash on players
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Re: Injury update: Clough & D.Johnson press conf, Tue 7 Feb

Postby yorkshire stag » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:22 pm

it’s not throwing cash about it’s sensible squad investment, you want mid table mediocrity, you run with this blueprint, you want promotion you increase the squad numbers to 2players for each position, especially in the January transfer window when you are not paying a full season for a player.

I guess you reap what you sow, come the end of the season, we will see if the manager is right or wrong with his squad management & numbers
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