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by stag324 » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:02 am
Our failing this season has been down to the form of what we all thought were key players JJ, Akins & Perch, plus long term injuries to Oates & Macca.
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by Costastag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:10 am
stag324 wrote:Our failing this season has been down to the form of what we all thought were key players JJ, Akins & Perch, plus long term injuries to Oates & Macca.
27 goals conceded doesnt help ,and thats not an opinion thats a fact
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by yorkshire stag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:05 pm
Costastag wrote:stag324 wrote:Our failing this season has been down to the form of what we all thought were key players JJ, Akins & Perch, plus long term injuries to Oates & Macca.
27 goals conceded doesnt help ,and thats not an opinion thats a fact
our failing last season & this has been the lack of quality & quantity of defenders, or in simple terms purchasing square pegs for round holes
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by MTFCMusings » Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:35 pm
stag324 wrote:Our failing this season has been down to the form of what we all thought were key players JJ, Akins & Perch, plus long term injuries to Oates & Macca.
Clough keeps mentioning this injury to Macca as a season defining thing but he only missed four games, three in the league and one in the FA Cup.
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by Amber Andy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:54 pm
Costastag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Costastag wrote:yorkstag wrote:He managed Man Utd not a league 2 club where you have to make the best use of resources.
By signing another midfielder in hartigan rather than a much needed centre half
It is all about availability.
Its also about planning ,listen im not saying Clough out or anything like ,but its been one of our failings this season ,anyway its only an opinion
So you think NC and his team don't plan ? Nothing could be further from the truth. It's about the availability of players, that are better than we already have and their affordability.
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by Costastag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:00 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Costastag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Costastag wrote:yorkstag wrote:He managed Man Utd not a league 2 club where you have to make the best use of resources.
By signing another midfielder in hartigan rather than a much needed centre half
It is all about availability.
Its also about planning ,listen im not saying Clough out or anything like ,but its been one of our failings this season ,anyway its only an opinion
So you think NC and his team don't plan ? Nothing could be further from the truth. It's about the availability of players, that are better than we already have and their affordability.
Where have i said i dont think they plan ? Why cant people accept that a bit of a moan doesnt mean we all want him out or we have lost faith in him ,cloughie himself has said hes worried about the defensive lapses ,the balls in his court its soon going to be jan 1st lets see how much planning has been done its gonna be interesting
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:03 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Costastag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Costastag wrote:yorkstag wrote:He managed Man Utd not a league 2 club where you have to make the best use of resources.
By signing another midfielder in hartigan rather than a much needed centre half
It is all about availability.
Its also about planning ,listen im not saying Clough out or anything like ,but its been one of our failings this season ,anyway its only an opinion
So you think NC and his team don't plan ? Nothing could be further from the truth. It's about the availability of players, that are better than we already have and their affordability.
He wasn't even looking for a centre back Andy, we clearly need one, surely you can see that? I'd say that was bad planning and we have suffered as a result. Yes 7th is OK I suppose and I guess we'd be satisfied, if not ecstatic, with that at the end of the season, but overall this season has been quite disappointing and for pretty obvious reasons.
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by Ralphy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:47 pm
Must have been a really interesting meeting you were sat in when they decided not to even look for a centre back!!
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by Tomwh » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:50 pm
Ralphy wrote:Must have been a really interesting meeting you were sat in when they decided not to even look for a centre back!!
We've been short on centre backs for two years mate, so even if they are trying to get one they've obviously been failing, haven't they?
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:54 pm
Ralphy wrote:Must have been a really interesting meeting you were sat in when they decided not to even look for a centre back!!
Nope, just listened to Clough saying numerous times he wasn't looking for a centre back. Keep up!!
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by Amber Andy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:56 pm
Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
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by Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:10 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
So were there no others that were better than we already have?
It’s ridiculous to think that because one deal fell through no-one else was good enough or available. Centre back has been a problem for just about the entirety of Mr Clough’s tenure. The ones that were already on the books were shipped out and not replaced by players who were recognised in that position. At least two of those shipped out are currently playing regularly and doing well for their clubs which is more than can be said for the situation here.
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by Ralphy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:12 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
Nah this is a lie he wasn’t interested at all, keep up!!
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by Amber Andy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:18 pm
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
So were there no others that were better than we already have?
It’s ridiculous to think that because one deal fell through no-one else was good enough or available. Centre back has been a problem for just about the entirety of Mr Clough’s tenure. The ones that were already on the books were shipped out and not replaced by players who were recognised in that position. At least two of those shipped out are currently playing regularly and doing well for their clubs which is more than can be said for the situation here.
Several deals fell through. No point in signing players who are no better than what we have.
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by Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:23 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
So were there no others that were better than we already have?
It’s ridiculous to think that because one deal fell through no-one else was good enough or available. Centre back has been a problem for just about the entirety of Mr Clough’s tenure. The ones that were already on the books were shipped out and not replaced by players who were recognised in that position. At least two of those shipped out are currently playing regularly and doing well for their clubs which is more than can be said for the situation here.
Several deals fell through. No point in signing players who are no better than what we have.
With all due respect Andy, half of the centre halves in the league are better than we already have. If you disagree just take a look at the goals against column.
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by Costastag » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:56 pm
Im afraid there are some on here who think all is rosy in the world ,hopefully they are right but january is make or break for nigel , if he fails to address the problems he wont be here next year imo ,but hopefully he sorts the issues out and we improve ,and believe me we all want that to happen
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:35 pm
Ralphy wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
Nah this is a lie he wasn’t interested at all, keep up!!
You want me to send you the links to where Clough said he was not looking for a centre back? The discussion was about
this season, where Clough said on numerous occasions he was looking for forwards not centre backs. This was discussed endlessly for several weeks during the transfer window, with quite a few of us saying Clough was wrong not to be looking for a centre back. He was clearly wrong and the penny is dropping with some, including broomo, but clearly not all
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:41 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
I don't think that was this season Andy, which is what we are talking about. Costastag said the lack of planning was this season and I think he's right. No planning for cover at left back, no depth at centre back and whilst he identified the need for a forward, he failed to sign one. It was a poor transfer window which has left us having to play players consistently out of position.
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by Amber Andy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:53 pm
Rob wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
I don't think that was this season Andy, which is what we are talking about. Costastag said the lack of planning was this season and I think he's right. No planning for cover at left back, no depth at centre back and whilst he identified the need for a forward, he failed to sign one. It was a poor transfer window which has left us having to play players consistently out of position.
It was last January. Then the player chose to go to Stevenage in the summer.
Rest assured NC and his team will be looking for a centre half. He did of course bring Harbottle in.
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by part time pete » Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:09 pm
Don’t you think that Cloughie is playing his cards close to his chest and doesn’t want to give agents ideas that we have money to splash on centre halves.
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by Amber Andy » Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:23 pm
part time pete wrote:Don’t you think that Cloughie is playing his cards close to his chest and doesn’t want to give agents ideas that we have money to splash on centre halves.
Exactly right, especially as the three key ones he wanted to sign didn't happen for various reasons.
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by bobbystagsfan » Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:46 pm
part time pete wrote:Don’t you think that Cloughie is playing his cards close to his chest and doesn’t want to give agents ideas that we have money to splash on centre halves.
You mean that Nigel doesn't tell us everything that's going on? I don't believe you
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:06 pm
Amber Andy wrote:Rob wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Rob he planned to sign the Oldham centre back, but Oldham wouldn't let him come. The player is now doing very well at Stevenage.
I don't think that was this season Andy, which is what we are talking about. Costastag said the lack of planning was this season and I think he's right. No planning for cover at left back, no depth at centre back and whilst he identified the need for a forward, he failed to sign one. It was a poor transfer window which has left us having to play players consistently out of position.
It was last January. Then the player chose to go to Stevenage in the summer.
Rest assured NC and his team will be looking for a centre half. He did of course bring Harbottle in.
So last season Andy, Costastag was talking about this season.
Harbottle is our ONLY centre back, that's a fact. Despite his age and inexperience he is also our best centre back. You must know that's not sustainable for a club who has a specific aim of top 3?
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by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:12 pm
part time pete wrote:Don’t you think that Cloughie is playing his cards close to his chest and doesn’t want to give agents ideas that we have money to splash on centre halves.
Maybe now yes, but not in the summer. We were not talking about now, we were talking about the summer. I hope Clough has realised his blindingly obvious mistake.
I mean it's really simple Andy, Pete and Bobby, we need a centre back, probably two. We needed them last year too and it cost us promotion. It's good that it appears you now agree, better late than never I suppose.
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by bobbystagsfan » Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:02 am
Rob wrote:part time pete wrote:Don’t you think that Cloughie is playing his cards close to his chest and doesn’t want to give agents ideas that we have money to splash on centre halves.
Maybe now yes, but not in the summer. We were not talking about now, we were talking about the summer. I hope Clough has realised his blindingly obvious mistake.
I mean it's really simple Andy, Pete and Bobby, we need a centre back, probably two. We needed them last year too and it cost us promotion. It's good that it appears you now agree, better late than never I suppose.
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