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TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:39 pm

Our small squad consists of a handful of quality players, ageing has-beens, loanees, and players who quite frankly are out of form. This is down to the management team Throw in brittle players and Clough’s obstinacy and the situation seems obvious:
We need more players - younger, quicker players.
Our recruitment has been abysmal so get rid of Simon Clough. Gary
Crosby is, apparently, always watching our opponents, so why are we so badly unaware of their threats? So get rid of him, too. Spend their wages on players.
Clough must act NOW, to replace the oldest, slowest back line in L2.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby HU7stag » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:46 pm

EdwinstoweStag wrote:Our small squad consists of a handful of quality players, ageing has-beens, loanees, and players who quite frankly are out of form. This is down to the management team Throw in brittle players and Clough’s obstinacy and the situation seems obvious:
We need more players - younger, quicker players.
Our recruitment has been abysmal so get rid of Simon Clough. Gary
Crosby is, apparently, always watching our opponents, so why are we so badly unaware of their threats? So get rid of him, too.
Spend their wages on players.
Clough must act NOW, to replace the oldest, slowest back line in L2.


You really think he is going to do that?
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Postby bigalstag1 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:17 pm

His time is taken up picking 3/4 players to play in defence and the 1 forward, from the15 midfield players we have at the club.
It can't be working with the players, as there is no improvement in open and set plays, from one game to the next. The conversion rate from corners and free kicks must be one of the worst, for any club, in any league
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby St Hilary Stag » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:13 pm

Bring Paul Cox back , proper man manager
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Postby broomo » Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:04 pm

bigalstag1 wrote:His time is taken up picking 3/4 players to play in defence and the 1 forward, from the15 midfield players we have at the club.
It can't be working with the players, as there is no improvement in open and set plays, from one game to the next. The conversion rate from corners and free kicks must be one of the worst, for any club, in any league


Serious question.

Why aren't you ever this prolific a poster when we win?
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Stag on Trent » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:49 pm

I thought today Lucas Akins did not deserve to be on the losing side for all the effort and graft he put in. However the defeat must surely be down to Clough's complacency by thinking that his defence is good enough to see out the season when it comprises mainly of aged has beens like Perch and O'toole and a centre forward at centre half. Today was the first time he admitted he had picked the wrong side due to players availability. Having insufficient players is due to his poor recruitment, If he had not wasted the transfer windows we wouldn't be in this mess! We've played most of the season so far with out a recognised striker and he let 2 go strikers who are scoring for fun for rival clubs? If he wants promotion he needs a good january transfer window.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Dan » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:55 pm

Stag on Trent wrote:I thought today Lucas Akins did not deserve to be on the losing side for all the effort and graft he put in. However the defeat must surely be down to Clough's complacency by thinking that his defence is good enough to see out the season when it comprises mainly of aged has beens like Perch and O'toole and a centre forward at centre half. Today was the first time he admitted he had picked the wrong side due to players availability. Having insufficient players is due to his poor recruitment, If he had not wasted the transfer windows we wouldn't be in this mess! We've played most of the season so far with out a recognised striker and he let 2 go strikers who are scoring for fun for rival clubs? If he wants promotion he needs a good january transfer window.


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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby The One » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:01 pm

Dan wrote:
Stag on Trent wrote:I thought today Lucas Akins did not deserve to be on the losing side for all the effort and graft he put in. However the defeat must surely be down to Clough's complacency by thinking that his defence is good enough to see out the season when it comprises mainly of aged has beens like Perch and O'toole and a centre forward at centre half. Today was the first time he admitted he had picked the wrong side due to players availability. Having insufficient players is due to his poor recruitment, If he had not wasted the transfer windows we wouldn't be in this mess! We've played most of the season so far with out a recognised striker and he let 2 go strikers who are scoring for fun for rival clubs? If he wants promotion he needs a good january transfer window.


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Second that Akins was dire
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby yorkshire stag » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:46 am

The One wrote:
Dan wrote:
Stag on Trent wrote:I thought today Lucas Akins did not deserve to be on the losing side for all the effort and graft he put in. However the defeat must surely be down to Clough's complacency by thinking that his defence is good enough to see out the season when it comprises mainly of aged has beens like Perch and O'toole and a centre forward at centre half. Today was the first time he admitted he had picked the wrong side due to players availability. Having insufficient players is due to his poor recruitment, If he had not wasted the transfer windows we wouldn't be in this mess! We've played most of the season so far with out a recognised striker and he let 2 go strikers who are scoring for fun for rival clubs? If he wants promotion he needs a good january transfer window.


:shock:


Second that Akins was dire



Third that Akins contributed zero, apart from when he lost the ball & they ran through & scored
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:33 am

I actually didn’t think Akins was any worse than most of that team. He’s there to rough up the defence and give them something to think about which he did relatively effectively. He will never be a top goal scorer and shouldn’t be judged as such.

Mr Clough has brought Lucas to the club to fit into a style of play and it’s not his fault that the style is slow and cumbersome. He always gives his all and no one can accuse him of ducking out of battles. Obviously he isn’t a world beater just a workhorse doing the job he’s been given.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby stagmanrob » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:42 am

Quite simply, you can argue all day about the contribution Akins has given for the team.

You can't argue that on a consistent basis, he has been good enough and worth his lengthy contract.

Easily one of the worst first touches in League 2, it'e ever the more frustrating when there are better players on the bench not getting a kick.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Stephen » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:52 am

The One wrote:
Dan wrote:
Stag on Trent wrote:I thought today Lucas Akins did not deserve to be on the losing side for all the effort and graft he put in. However the defeat must surely be down to Clough's complacency by thinking that his defence is good enough to see out the season when it comprises mainly of aged has beens like Perch and O'toole and a centre forward at centre half. Today was the first time he admitted he had picked the wrong side due to players availability. Having insufficient players is due to his poor recruitment, If he had not wasted the transfer windows we wouldn't be in this mess! We've played most of the season so far with out a recognised striker and he let 2 go strikers who are scoring for fun for rival clubs? If he wants promotion he needs a good january transfer window.


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Second that Akins was dire


Standard Akins performance
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Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:56 am

stagmanrob wrote:Quite simply, you can argue all day about the contribution Akins has given for the team.

You can't argue that on a consistent basis, he has been good enough and worth his lengthy contract.

Easily one of the worst first touches in League 2, it'e ever the more frustrating when there are better players on the bench not getting a kick.


I can see your point Rob and accept it’s validity to a point but can you tell me, who else in this squad would be as effective in the role and style of play he is being asked to perform? That is not the same as asking who is a more effective striker, a point that is indisputable.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby stagmanrob » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:15 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
stagmanrob wrote:Quite simply, you can argue all day about the contribution Akins has given for the team.

You can't argue that on a consistent basis, he has been good enough and worth his lengthy contract.

Easily one of the worst first touches in League 2, it'e ever the more frustrating when there are better players on the bench not getting a kick.


I can see your point Rob and accept it’s validity to a point but can you tell me, who else in this squad would be as effective in the role and style of play he is being asked to perform? That is not the same as asking who is a more effective striker, a point that is indisputable.

Quite simply, the role he is being asked to perform in my opinion, shouldn't even be a role in the first place for the whole tactical set up we keep perservering with.
"Tactical" being a loose term too, as mostly it seems to be a proper bodge job week to week with not really anything tactical in terms of planning and preparation about it.

Asking Akins to do a hold up role, when he has trampolines for feet, it laughable really let's be honest. When he does do an effective job up there (he has done on a few occasions to be fair to him - Doncaster away you couldn't fault him) then the whole system is reliant on players running off of him in behind. Again, at this moment in time we have no width at all from this wing-back system as without Macca there is no attacking intent. With four central midfielders being asked to do defensive covering jobs in wide areas and arguing amongst themselves who sticks and who bombs on, again there is no point perservering with a poor and inconsistent Akins because the role is simply not required at the moment - we do not have the players or system to warrant the need for it. Add into that just how poor he keeps playing so his confidence is shot due to stick from the stands, it is just going to continue being an abject failure.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Dan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:53 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
stagmanrob wrote:Quite simply, you can argue all day about the contribution Akins has given for the team.

You can't argue that on a consistent basis, he has been good enough and worth his lengthy contract.

Easily one of the worst first touches in League 2, it'e ever the more frustrating when there are better players on the bench not getting a kick.


I can see your point Rob and accept it’s validity to a point but can you tell me, who else in this squad would be as effective in the role and style of play he is being asked to perform? That is not the same as asking who is a more effective striker, a point that is indisputable.


Whatever role he is meant to do I'm not sure but to answer your question the answer is Jordan Bowery. It's absolutely criminal that arguably our best finisher and best holder up of a ball is wasted out on the wing where he's not had one good game yet.
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Re: TOO MANY CHIEFS AND TOO FEW INDIANS

Postby Conker » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:54 pm

I remember the performance at Doncaster and thought that’s what Akins can do for us, hold it up and set up players. Since then it’s become clear he’s not physically up to that task, I don’t see what he offers us at all.
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