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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:26 pm

I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby broomo » Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:43 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:55 pm

broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby broomo » Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:13 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Nigel has never managed at League 2 level before here, so there is no "since last time".

I don't want to drag Tippy or Musings into a row but to suggest either of them could run NC close knowledge wise is quite frankly laughable and I do rate both of them as posters.

I could of course politely ask them who they (and you) would sign specifically but even if they suggest a player, he would have to be available, fit into our budget and want to come, none of those things anyone outside of the game could possibly be expected to know.

The lack of another signing is not down to NC not wanting to spend money.

I'm STILL hoping for one more in and I hope the generous chairman/owner still has the
appetite/faith in the people he put in place to run the football side of things to sanction it.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:30 am

broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Nigel has never managed at League 2 level before here, so there is no "since last time".

I don't want to drag Tippy or Musings into a row but to suggest either of them could run NC close knowledge wise is quite frankly laughable and I do rate both of them as posters.

I could of course politely ask them who they (and you) would sign specifically but even if they suggest a player, he would have to be available, fit into our budget and want to come, none of those things anyone outside of the game could possibly be expected to know.

The lack of another signing is not down to NC not wanting to spend money.

I'm STILL hoping for one more in and I hope the generous chairman/owner still has the
appetite/faith in the people he put in place to run the football side of things to sanction it.


Firstly Broomo I’m sorry to have incorrectly thought that Nigel was here with Burton. I do recall now they had already been promoted prior to his return.

That said, I think your post demonstrates your arrogance in respect of this division. Both of the posters I’ve named have extensive knowledge of this division not just over the past two years but over many others while they have been following our team. They know the players within it inside out and I truly believe that their knowledge is far deeper than Nigel’s particularly now I realise that he hasn’t actually managed in it before. Both extensively study and watch games played by every league 2 team and have done for a number of years.

Of course I concede their knowledge and experience of football and tactics obviously doesn’t compare with Nigel’s and I would never suggest that it does. I point out that the comparison was about knowledge of league 2 and not football in general. You may laugh at that if you wish.

I also think there have been a number of suggestions in respect of prospective targets made by those and other posters within these threads over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Obviously we don’t know if any enquiries have been made for those players or if they are potentially available and the choice of recruits is ultimately down to the powers that be at MTFC.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby jpstags » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:52 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Have you considered that Clough's hands might be tied ? From what I hear JR is reluctant to spend atm.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:04 am

jpstags wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Have you considered that Clough's hands might be tied ? From what I hear JR is reluctant to spend atm.


Yes I have. He says bids have been made but turned down which suggests some money is available. I have constantly said though that we don’t know the circumstances or funds available which is why I’m happy to go without another striker but a centre half is essential.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby jpstags » Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:16 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
jpstags wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I think the point you are maybe mistaken about Broomo is which posters are convinced the squad is short.

Myself, Rob and a myriad of others backed Nigel to the hilt during our abysmal injury/suspension period last year. We thought circumstances were unprecedented and totally out of Nigel’s control.

The difference is that this year, they are not beyond his control and Nigel still has the opportunity to add to his squad this window. He has stated that his squad is complete and it is very highly likely that more players will be coming in.

I sincerely hope that Nigel is correct but I honestly do not think that we will be successful without at least one specialist addition.

Could it be that fans with extensive current knowledge of this division may be correct?. Football standards are rapidly increasing each year and this division is probably the one which reflects those improvements the most with most teams roughly on a par. Nothing can or should be taken for granted or you will get bit.


I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Have you considered that Clough's hands might be tied ? From what I hear JR is reluctant to spend atm.


Yes I have. He says bids have been made but turned down which suggests some money is available. I have constantly said though that we don’t know the circumstances or funds available which is why I’m happy to go without another striker but a centre half is essential.



I totally agree about a centre half but as I said it may well be out of his hands.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby broomo » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:03 am

jpstags wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
jpstags wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:
I have nothing against anyone who is posting we are short.

I've also said A LOT that I would like us to add one more.

I don't want to be an arse here but do you really think any fan (me included) has a more extensive knowledge of this division than Nigel? So as much as I enjoy and respect your posts, I'm inclined to go with his view over yours. Please don't take that as an insult.

I also know of 2 players he tried to add but couldn't (multiple bids turned down)

If the right player becomes available for the right package, he'll sign them. If they don't we go with what we've got and re-visit in January.


Ok Broomo maybe not but I think there a few who would run him very closely and I don’t include myself in those. I’m a comparative novice but others dissect the division in minute detail, look at Tippy and Musing’s posts to name just two and there are others just as worthy.

I do think he maybe under estimates the overall improvement since he last managed in the division and over estimates the difference in skill levels with those who have played in the league above.

In respect of making the signings in January, unfortunately I feel that will be too late as we can’t expect another record breaking upturn in form. On the contrary it may even once more disrupt a fledgling revival.

Each to their own opinion and we will see in May.


Have you considered that Clough's hands might be tied ? From what I hear JR is reluctant to spend atm.


Yes I have. He says bids have been made but turned down which suggests some money is available. I have constantly said though that we don’t know the circumstances or funds available which is why I’m happy to go without another striker but a centre half is essential.



I totally agree about a centre half but as I said it may well be out of his hands.


From the outside that would be my reading of the situation as well, that the budget is "tighter" than some think.

There may be some left but is it enough to bring in the one piece of real quality we want (and need?)

It would be both a shame and a little bit understandable, JR has put a lot of money, time and patience into backing other managers, much poorer managers than NC as it happens.

Now he's got the brilliant Sharpe and a decent managerial set up, I hope he hasn't decided now is the time to take stock of how much he is investing.

I hope his excitement and levels of passion didn't take a hit at Wembley.

A good run in the league will hopefully kick start another exciting spell.
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Re: Clough press Conference Mon 15 Aug

Postby cassellswasmagic » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:10 am

The money is there. Only recently they couldn’t get who they were after. There are other reasons at play. If a player doesn’t want to come….
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