Martin Shaw wrote:Rob, I think Perch, Hewitt, Hawkins, O'Toole, Harbottle are sufficient options for centre half. Of course I would have liked to have signed Fraser Horsfall, so would every club in League Two.
You are free to disagree, that's what the forum is for.
Rob wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:Rob, I think Perch, Hewitt, Hawkins, O'Toole, Harbottle are sufficient options for centre half. Of course I would have liked to have signed Fraser Horsfall, so would every club in League Two.
You are free to disagree, that's what the forum is for.
Well obviously I do disagree, as do most others on here and I suspect in the wider fan base. Only one of those you list is a natural CB, that just can't be right. Fingers crossed we get away with it, we didn't last week.
Martin Shaw wrote:Rob wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:Rob, I think Perch, Hewitt, Hawkins, O'Toole, Harbottle are sufficient options for centre half. Of course I would have liked to have signed Fraser Horsfall, so would every club in League Two.
You are free to disagree, that's what the forum is for.
Well obviously I do disagree, as do most others on here and I suspect in the wider fan base. Only one of those you list is a natural CB, that just can't be right. Fingers crossed we get away with it, we didn't last week.
we didn't get away with it last week because only two of the five were available to start, obviously.
gazza1988 wrote:Oates, Swan, Bowery, Akins, Hawkins and Gale. They are our striker options. Why would we need a 7th competing for 2 spaces, when 5 defenders is plenty competing for 3?
Who is covering Macca? Or is he playing 90 minutes of 46 league games and however many cup games there is.
If I remember correctly, last season, when Macca was out, we had perch, Hewitt and Akins all play left back we've had Bowery at LWB I this season. Who thinks they are viable options if Macca is out for a few weeks?
broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
victor A block wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Oates, Swan, Bowery, Akins, Hawkins and Gale. They are our striker options. Why would we need a 7th competing for 2 spaces, when 5 defenders is plenty competing for 3?
Who is covering Macca? Or is he playing 90 minutes of 46 league games and however many cup games there is.
If I remember correctly, last season, when Macca was out, we had perch, Hewitt and Akins all play left back we've had Bowery at LWB I this season. Who thinks they are viable options if Macca is out for a few weeks?
Oates will score plenty if fit. Hawkins might make double figures if he plays as a striker constantly. Swan is pretty much unknown but looks lightweight so far. Gale will probably go out on loan. If you are expecting Bowery and Akins to fire us to promotion, I woudnt bother putting Ipswich, Portsmouth etc in the sat nav for next season. We need a striker IMO.
broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
victor A block wrote:broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
Do you think we have enough quality up front without relying on Oates?
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
Nice story Broomo but Buxton was a centre half with plenty of experience and our one time captain. He was also relatively young and able to learn. He had also played for Clough as a centre half at Burton and Nigel had seen him develop and recognised his potential.
Contrast that with our current situation with a 30 year old centre forward with little defensive experience playing at the heart of our defence and expected to be the king pin of a team looking for automatic promotion.
The two situations simply don’t compare especially when you look at what defensive cover we have available.
The only thing that will settle this debate is another 45 league two games and then we will know the answer. Unless of course we sign a recognised centre half before then.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Rather have good cover for Macca than another centre back right now.
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Broomo, I’m not so sure posters are judging the situation after one game but more looking at the squad set up.
Hawkins didn’t even play last week so I don’t see how people could judge him on the team’s performance. I’m personally pleased he didn’t play as I think he would have really struggled with Salfords style and things could have been even worse. Although we conceded two goals we did restrict chances and I still think Maris was fouled in the build up to the second.
Unlike other posters, I am also not desperate for another striker as goals will come from all areas. We do however need at least one centre half and a versatile experienced defender to cover across the back.
broomo wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Broomo, I’m not so sure posters are judging the situation after one game but more looking at the squad set up.
Hawkins didn’t even play last week so I don’t see how people could judge him on the team’s performance. I’m personally pleased he didn’t play as I think he would have really struggled with Salfords style and things could have been even worse. Although we conceded two goals we did restrict chances and I still think Maris was fouled in the build up to the second.
Unlike other posters, I am also not desperate for another striker as goals will come from all areas. We do however need at least one centre half and a versatile experienced defender to cover across the back.
How many should we sign though?
Let's say his first choice in a 3-5-2 was O'Toole, Hawkins, Perch (with Hewitt and Harbottle as back up) Harbottle being brought in to get games and experience.
Bring in another centre half and suddenly Harbottle (or one other) is 6th choice and that is if we stick to the 3 all season, for the games we go back to a flat 4 he drops further down the pecking order?
I don't think we need to sign anybody for those occasional games 2 of the 5 are unavailable.
I get that not everyone, in fact hardly anyone agrees but that's the way I see it.
We can't sign a big enough squad to cover every eventuality; if we did we'd have a lot of unhappy players sitting in the stands.
broomo wrote:victor A block wrote:broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
Do you think we have enough quality up front without relying on Oates?
Honestly, I'd like to see us bring in one more attacking option but again I know we bid for 2 strikers/attacking forwards and one of those would have blown fans socks off.
Unfortunately neither came off; so now I'd prefer to wait for someone of that quality than to rush to sign another body for the sake of it.
It would be awful if either of those 2 became available in January and we'd spent our budget on a make weight.
I believe we've got goals in us with the current squad anyone quality coming in now or January will hopefully be the cherry on top.
gazza1988 wrote:
I know I wasn't asked but for me you need 2 players for each spot on the team. So on our current setup it's be 6 CB, 2 RWB, 2 LWB, 2DM, 4 CM and 2 CF. Then youth fringe to gain experience once injuries set in.
That's 22 players in total with 20 outfield players.
I am intrigued, if you would indulge me, how you see the squad following the above (obviously Clough only has 19 outfield players so one will be down) and the rules are as follows:
1. only 1 player may be selected for one position (you can only play one player in one position at any one time.
2. If a player is picked for a position and it isn't their strongest position then put in brackets where their you think their best position is (Say you think Akins is best at RW but you've picked him for RWB, Just a note that I don't think Akins did as bad as some make out at RWB last Saturday)
3. Name players in order of strength in the role/position with the first being the best player in that role/position and and the last being the "worst" (not necessarily meaning they are bad players but just not as good as the others)
GK:
RWB:
CB:
LWB:
DM:
CM:
CF:
I'm just curious where you see players playing. If anyone else wants to have a go
gazza1988 wrote:broomo wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Broomo, I’m not so sure posters are judging the situation after one game but more looking at the squad set up.
Hawkins didn’t even play last week so I don’t see how people could judge him on the team’s performance. I’m personally pleased he didn’t play as I think he would have really struggled with Salfords style and things could have been even worse. Although we conceded two goals we did restrict chances and I still think Maris was fouled in the build up to the second.
Unlike other posters, I am also not desperate for another striker as goals will come from all areas. We do however need at least one centre half and a versatile experienced defender to cover across the back.
How many should we sign though?
Let's say his first choice in a 3-5-2 was O'Toole, Hawkins, Perch (with Hewitt and Harbottle as back up) Harbottle being brought in to get games and experience.
Bring in another centre half and suddenly Harbottle (or one other) is 6th choice and that is if we stick to the 3 all season, for the games we go back to a flat 4 he drops further down the pecking order?
I don't think we need to sign anybody for those occasional games 2 of the 5 are unavailable.
I get that not everyone, in fact hardly anyone agrees but that's the way I see it.
We can't sign a big enough squad to cover every eventuality; if we did we'd have a lot of unhappy players sitting in the stands.
I know I wasn't asked but for me you need 2 players for each spot on the team. So on our current setup it's be 6 CB, 2 RWB, 2 LWB, 2DM, 4 CM and 2 CF. Then youth fringe to gain experience once injuries set in.
That's 22 players in total with 20 outfield players.
I am intrigued, if you would indulge me, how you see the squad following the above (obviously Clough only has 19 outfield players so one will be down) and the rules are as follows:
1. only 1 player may be selected for one position (you can only play one player in one position at any one time.
2. If a player is picked for a position and it isn't their strongest position then put in brackets where their you think their best position is (Say you think Akins is best at RW but you've picked him for RWB, Just a note that I don't think Akins did as bad as some make out at RWB last Saturday)
3. Name players in order of strength in the role/position with the first being the best player in that role/position and and the last being the "worst" (not necessarily meaning they are bad players but just not as good as the others)
GK:
RWB:
CB:
LWB:
DM:
CM:
CF:
I'm just curious where you see players playing. If anyone else wants to have a go
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Firstly I don’t think Harbottle is here as backup.
I wouldn’t count Hewitt as he would be my first choice right back/wing back. I think Nigel is also not sure about Gordon certainly at right back. That really only leaves you one absentee if you are playing with 3 centre backs which is the position most likely to pick up suspensions. If Macca is injured you could well need Hewitt on that side of the pitch.
A good solid centre half would plug any gaps and should add much needed pace if Harbottle isn’t on the pitch. Hawkins would be my back up and could also cover if Oates is injured. So get the right centre half and a number of potential problems have a solution.
yorkshire stag wrote:our defence isn’t good enough quality wise, this will come back to bite us
Dan wrote:broomo wrote:victor A block wrote:broomo wrote:I don't have the historical knowledge of Mansfield so can only compare it to a different club.
Nigel was sacked at Derby over a long running difference of opinion over not signing another centre half.
He thought Buxton was good enough. The fans and the CEO didn't.
NC went on record as saying the squad was good enough and for the first time since he took over they would challenge for the play offs.
In fact before sacking him the CEO had agreed to sign Zak Whitbread on loan with a guaranteed "buy" in place once the loan was completed. Paying huge wages for a lad coming back from a long term injury.
Buxton went on to be an ever present and a club legend, Whitbread was injured for pretty much 2 years.
Why am I posting that?
Last season Nigel said he'd got a squad capable of challenging for promotion.
This season he has said he thinks we're good enough to go one better.
He's not a bad judge of the make up of his squad, if a quality centre half or striker becomes available and fits within the budget, I suspect he'd sign them but for now, he's happy to go with what we've got.
If Nigel thinks we've got enough of a squad to challenge, I would trust that he's right.
Do you think we have enough quality up front without relying on Oates?
Honestly, I'd like to see us bring in one more attacking option but again I know we bid for 2 strikers/attacking forwards and one of those would have blown fans socks off.
Unfortunately neither came off; so now I'd prefer to wait for someone of that quality than to rush to sign another body for the sake of it.
It would be awful if either of those 2 became available in January and we'd spent our budget on a make weight.
I believe we've got goals in us with the current squad anyone quality coming in now or January will hopefully be the cherry on top.
You can tell us who they are now we've not signed them
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