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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Elkesley Stag » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:59 pm

Could get a better deal now due to clubs either needing a promotion push or trying to climb away from the relegation slots . A lot of our Keyboard insiders on here speculated that John Joe was offered quite a bit more to keep him here when Doncaster came looking .
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby mousemousemouse » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:43 pm

gazza1988 wrote:
Amber Andy wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:Possibly he has an informal arrangement with a club for next season

Could be. It certainly doesn't help the situation.


I'm wondering, reading between the lines, if he's (or agent to be specific) had contact with a club higher up who will take a punt on him but don't want to pay a fee. Otherwise why would he only sign for anyone for 6 months.

Maybe said club has a decent left back we can do a swap deal with :D

What other feasible explanation is there?


That’s what I’ve presumed too. Could even be a signing on fee that was “saved” from not having to pay a transfer fee
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby jpstags » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:38 am

It could be an arrangement with Walsall in an attempt to keep the fee they have to pay down.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby oldweststander » Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:50 am

It could be anything and nothing.

If Johnson stays he will have to be paid until end of June plus one months severance/contract ending payment, 6 months/26 weeks at approx £2k a week, £52k. If he leaves on a permanent transfer that money is saved to be used elsewhere. So my thoughts are, if he leaves it has to be permanent, as a loan is no good financially because he would still have to be paid for May, June and the extra severance month.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:11 am

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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Amber Andy » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:12 am

Although DJ is on Hartlepool's radar, their chairman says they are looking at three other strikers.Another in league two and two in league one.

It would be good all round if the DJ situation is resolved this week.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby cassellswasmagic » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:47 pm

And what strikers are we looking at? We definitely need one. Swans decent. Oates isn’t a striker imo. The rest are average at best.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby bobbystagsfan » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:57 pm

cassellswasmagic wrote:And what strikers are we looking at? We definitely need one. Swans decent. Oates isn’t a striker imo. The rest are average at best.



Why don't you think Oates is a striker?
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Marky Mark » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:18 pm

I dont think Oates was brought here to be an out and out striker - the first game of the season last season at home to Bristol Rovers, which is probably the best guide to the original Clough plan, Hawkins and Johnson were the 2 strikers and Oates played in just behind them. I think there was a bit of surprise at the time because he'd replaced Lapslie in that position, and I think Clough said something at the time about it being between Oates and Lapslie for that position (Edit: mentioned in Martin's match report: https://stagsnet.net/match/reports/view ... tchid=1106). Oates started to play upfront once Hawkins moved back there to cover the injuries.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Costastag » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:59 pm

If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby tmwilson » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:01 pm

Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy


He will score more goals than anyone else we have up front.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby scotsstag » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:05 pm

Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Billy the fish » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:14 pm

We need a Ryan Bowman up front with either of them … ;) ;)
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby cassellswasmagic » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:46 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
cassellswasmagic wrote:And what strikers are we looking at? We definitely need one. Swans decent. Oates isn’t a striker imo. The rest are average at best.



Why don't you think Oates is a striker?

Or rather I should’ve said he’s not prolific. Over 2 seasons he’s roughly 1 in 4. I wouldn’t drop him, he’s a very important player but he needs to score more or get his head up, look around and have more assists.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Costastag » Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:13 pm

scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...

He was a duff buy dress it up as much as you want it was a duff buy either by clough or whoever bought him
Johnson is not the problem though ,does that make it clearer for you
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby scotsstag » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:03 pm

Costastag wrote:
scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...

He was a duff buy dress it up as much as you want it was a duff buy either by clough or whoever bought him
Johnson is not the problem though ,does that make it clearer for you

So in your ingenious opinion what is the problem wee man :lol:
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Sneag » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:46 pm

Costastag wrote:
scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...

He was a duff buy dress it up as much as you want it was a duff buy either by clough or whoever bought him
Johnson is not the problem though ,does that make it clearer for you


Johnson has been the biggest white elephant signing in years.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Costastag » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:36 am

scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:
scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...

He was a duff buy dress it up as much as you want it was a duff buy either by clough or whoever bought him
Johnson is not the problem though ,does that make it clearer for you

So in your ingenious opinion what is the problem wee man :lol:

The problem is either there is a problem between johnson and clough ,or its the way we play that doesnt suit his style ,easy innit :lol:
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Mansf1eld » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:26 am

Sneag wrote:
Costastag wrote:
scotsstag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy

Not a duff buy, unfortunate injury and thereafter poorly utilised...

He was a duff buy dress it up as much as you want it was a duff buy either by clough or whoever bought him
Johnson is not the problem though ,does that make it clearer for you


Johnson has been the biggest white elephant signing in years.


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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Elkesley Stag » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:52 am

Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy


The duff buy is very frustrating . The season before we signed him we created the most goal scoring chances in our league but scored nowhere near enough . Johnson scored the highest percentage of goals from chances created in our league . Seems a good match .
We are led to believe that our approach to signing players is very thorough now and we look closely at a players training levels , attitude , team player will he fit in , is he a mardy bugger and so on . It does seem like someone is not doing their job correctly . Not sure if its the player or recruitment not fulfilling the promises made in transfer negotiations
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby victor A block » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:56 am

If Johnson is still here by the time we play Donny on the 28th, I would expect him to be in the side as it would mean we haven't signed anyone else better. He's also the best goalscorer we have at the club.
Yes, there would be 3 days left of the window, but we all know how thats gone in the past, waiting for players who have had months to decide to come here and then didn't.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby oldweststander » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:28 am

victor A block wrote:If Johnson is still here by the time we play Donny on the 28th, I would expect him to be in the side as it would mean we haven't signed anyone else better. He's also the best goalscorer we have at the club.
Yes, there would be 3 days left of the window, but we all know how thats gone in the past, waiting for players who have had months to decide to come here and then didn't.


If there is anything like a sniff for Johnson this week I expect the club to keep their options open and not play him against Donny. Same applies to anyone we have enquired about, the ball needs to be kept up in the air with that too.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:39 am

Elkesley Stag wrote:
Costastag wrote:If johnson stays he wont score the goals for us unless we change our style ,we wont so might as well be rid of him hes only gonna see his contract out ,so either accept Walsalls offer or just accept it was a duff buy


The duff buy is very frustrating . The season before we signed him we created the most goal scoring chances in our league but scored nowhere near enough . Johnson scored the highest percentage of goals from chances created in our league . Seems a good match .
We are led to believe that our approach to signing players is very thorough now and we look closely at a players training levels , attitude , team player will he fit in , is he a mardy bugger and so on . It does seem like someone is not doing their job correctly . Not sure if its the player or recruitment not fulfilling the promises made in transfer negotiations


I don't think he was a duff buy, I just don't think it worked out as things changed (maybe that is the definition of duff) - he started up front, then got injured, then we got injuries and by time he came back the team structure had changed so that there wasn't a place for his type of player - at Walsall they must play in a way that fits a player like him, maybe the new signings will mean we've changed our system again to be able to accommodate him now. Sometimes things don't work out and there doesn't have to be a bust up or other label applied to it.
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby AshoverStag » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:48 am

If he stays. We have a problem imo. …..and it’s my opinion

And it’s not Johnson , DJ has scored the goals for Walsall, as we all know

You could play Swan on one wing. He is fast, can pass, control, and cross

Who does the other wing ?

Akins - can cross but slow
Oates - Other than Nov/Jan last season, seems to now not be able to control/pass/control ball
Gordon - On wing could be an answer
Bowery - Maybe
4-3-3 with DJ
Or
5-3-2
Other Johnson and Macca RWB/LWB
Maris Clarke Reed
DJ and one other

If he stays I think DJ could score us some goals, depends on NC set up

But if DJ stays and plays NC please please.

Pick a formation and stick to it. Play people in their best position and don’t keep switching in the utility numerous roles format. It’s not worked

With how much swapping positions we have seen this season. Id not put it passed DJ playing on wing :lol:
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Re: Danny Johnson

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:51 am

AshoverStag wrote:If he stays. We have a problem imo. …..and it’s my opinion

And it’s not Johnson , DJ has scored the goals for Walsall, as we all know

You could play Swan on one wing. He is fast, can pass, control, and cross

Who does the other wing ?

Akins - can cross but slow
Oates - Other than Nov/Jan last season, seems to now not be able to control/pass/control ball
Gordon - On wing could be an answer
Bowery - Maybe
4-3-3 with DJ
Or
5-3-2
Other Johnson and Macca RWB/LWB
Maris Clarke Reed
DJ and one other

If he stays I think DJ could score us some goals, depends on NC set up


I think Macca and Johnson (C) will continue to be the width, with or without Johnson (D), and regardless of formation. The signing of Reed probably points to that.
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