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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 pm

I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Rob » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:30 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
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MTFCMusings wrote:What is the first eleven though Rob in your eyes? Only four players have started all of our wins.


I think that depends on who we are playing and whether we are at home. I think Hewitt is our best RWB so would always play him there. I'd also prefer to see Hawkins up front. With that in mind surely yoy can see the logic in wanting another CB? We won on Saturday because we played Hawkins up front., I'd play him there tomorrow


I can see your logic yes but I don’t agree with you. We’ve won three games where Hawkins didn’t play up front. Also I would say going up there for the last few minutes is completely different to starting there for the whole game. The team wouldn’t be able to press in the same way. The only game Hawkins started up front, we lost (admittedly he scored, but from a set piece where he would’ve been in the box anyway)


Yes, we very much disagree, which is fine. On Hawkins, if he was used as a striker I'm not sure I'd start him every game. I also think that whilst he does a job at CB, there are better, more experienced CB's out there.


Fair enough. I don’t disagree with your last point either, but so far I think he’s been very good this season.


He has been good this season, he was also fantastic in the two games against Northampton, but we know what happened next. I don't think anyone is saying any of our current players are bad, no-one has said we should get rid of anyone, the issue is adding that extra bit of quality and depth where it's needed to finish top 3. It is perfectly reasonable to think we don't need any more quality or depth, but I'd very much disagree.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby gazza1988 » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:34 pm

To be fair though Yorkie, plan B isn't going to hang around waiting for us. Imagine saying to a player "you're our 2nd option, please don't sign for anyone else until we know if we can get our 1st." after what happened around the pandemic I can't blame players for wanting to get themselves fixed up somewhere.

I can't see Clough coming out and say plan b went elsewhere. He might say something like" we miss dout on one, so we move onto other options"

Naylor was such a last minute change of mind. We could have already withdrew our interest in other players who then signed for one of their other options and then we were left with no defender.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby yorkshire stag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pm

just pointing out gazza that he made the call to go with three CB’s this season, therefore basic maths tells me he needed another quality CB “if” project promotion is the name of the game, if not then not a prob we have several options to “fill in” or “do a job” however i don’t think that’s what’s required mate
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Richard Cranium » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:45 pm

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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby MTFCMusings » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:51 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.


When signed Hewitt was described as mainly a defender and someone who can cover several positions. That’s exactly what he’s done whilst he’s been here.

The issue continues to be that posters other people who are no the manager or coaching staff of Mansfield Town don’t recognise Perch, Hawkins or O’Toole as centre halves, whilst the manager and coaching staff of Mansfield Town do. The debate I suspect will go on and on.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:02 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.


When signed Hewitt was described as mainly a defender and someone who can cover several positions. That’s exactly what he’s done whilst he’s been here.

The issue continues to be that posters other people who are no the manager or coaching staff of Mansfield Town don’t recognise Perch, Hawkins or O’Toole as centre halves, whilst the manager and coaching staff of Mansfield Town do. The debate I suspect will go on and on.


Sorry Mussy but you are wrong. It illustrates that you simply don’t understand our viewpoint which is that we don’t recognise the three players as being centre halves who are capable of being regular members of a top 3 team over the course of a season. That is certainly my opinion and I’m sure it’s shared by Rob, Yorkie et al and it is a world away from being someone who is capable of merely playing at centre half.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby MTFCMusings » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:24 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.


When signed Hewitt was described as mainly a defender and someone who can cover several positions. That’s exactly what he’s done whilst he’s been here.

The issue continues to be that posters other people who are no the manager or coaching staff of Mansfield Town don’t recognise Perch, Hawkins or O’Toole as centre halves, whilst the manager and coaching staff of Mansfield Town do. The debate I suspect will go on and on.


Sorry Mussy but you are wrong. It illustrates that you simply don’t understand our viewpoint which is that we don’t recognise the three players as being centre halves who are capable of being regular members of a top 3 team over the course of a season. That is certainly my opinion and I’m sure it’s shared by Rob, Yorkie et al and it is a world away from being someone who is capable of merely playing at centre half.


If that’s what you meant then that’s what you should have said Sandy :lol:

You’ve typed above ‘Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions’.

Also I don’t want to speak on Robs behalf but I don’t think that was his point either, as he said if our best eleven stays fit all season we will be fine, so at least one of the three he is happy with.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Rob » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:42 pm

I think we will be fine if our best 11 stays fit, but I also think that is very unlikely and think signing a quality CB would dramatically improve our side defensively. In fact, I could make an argument for signing 2 centre backs but at the risk of some self-combusting I won't go there :lol: Sandy is right in that we dont have enough specialist centre backs and whilst you could add Hewitt to Harbottle, I do not consider Hawkins, JJ or Perch as specialists in that very important area. That said, I do acknowledge that all have been effective in that role on most occasions. Again I agree with Sandy that perhaps a left sided defender who is a CB but could play LWB if needed would be a 2 in 1 signing.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:59 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.


When signed Hewitt was described as mainly a defender and someone who can cover several positions. That’s exactly what he’s done whilst he’s been here.

The issue continues to be that posters other people who are no the manager or coaching staff of Mansfield Town don’t recognise Perch, Hawkins or O’Toole as centre halves, whilst the manager and coaching staff of Mansfield Town do. The debate I suspect will go on and on.


Sorry Mussy but you are wrong. It illustrates that you simply don’t understand our viewpoint which is that we don’t recognise the three players as being centre halves who are capable of being regular members of a top 3 team over the course of a season. That is certainly my opinion and I’m sure it’s shared by Rob, Yorkie et al and it is a world away from being someone who is capable of merely playing at centre half.


If that’s what you meant then that’s what you should have said Sandy :lol:

You’ve typed above ‘Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions’.

Also I don’t want to speak on Robs behalf but I don’t think that was his point either, as he said if our best eleven stays fit all season we will be fine, so at least one of the three he is happy with.


I thought that’s what I’ve been saying all along Mussy. Playing someone in a position on an occasional basis doesn’t make it their position and the one recognised as the position they’ve played in for the majority of their careers. I seem to remember Keith Cassel taking over in goal but it didn’t make him a goalie. Word play aside, would you have brought any of those three as new players into the club in those those positions and expected us to get automatic promotion?

In respect of Rob’s comments I don’t think being fine meant we would be promoted. Additionally to expect to keep all of your first team injury and suspension free is totally unrealistic. So on that basis alone how could we possibly be fine?

Perhaps you are correct about clarity and when I said we only have Hewitt and Harbottle who are recognised at centre half, I should have said who haven’t been turned into makeshift centre halves.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby MTFCMusings » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:16 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I get having a small squad and can see the benefits of it. However if you are going down that route, you need specialist players for your main positions.

In our case, Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions. Hewitt was brought to the club as a right back/wing back and is our best player there. Harbottle was brought to the club as a young loanee to learn his trade and was not expected to start most games. Even without injuries or suspensions that means that one centre half would not be a recognised player in that position and we would be weakening the right side of the defence by not playing Hewitt there. Additionally Harbottle has been playing on the left of the three despite being predominantly right footed again potentially diminishing his performances.

By signing a left sided centre half the whole balance of the defence could easily be restored with Hewitt playing in his best position and Harbottle playing with his naturally favoured foot in the right berth. That would still allow Nigel his to have his fussy out by playing any one of a number of players out of position at the centre of a three. I would also agree that we could probably get through with occasional fill ins due to injury or suspensions.

That would only increase the squad size by one player which should be affordable.


When signed Hewitt was described as mainly a defender and someone who can cover several positions. That’s exactly what he’s done whilst he’s been here.

The issue continues to be that posters other people who are no the manager or coaching staff of Mansfield Town don’t recognise Perch, Hawkins or O’Toole as centre halves, whilst the manager and coaching staff of Mansfield Town do. The debate I suspect will go on and on.


Sorry Mussy but you are wrong. It illustrates that you simply don’t understand our viewpoint which is that we don’t recognise the three players as being centre halves who are capable of being regular members of a top 3 team over the course of a season. That is certainly my opinion and I’m sure it’s shared by Rob, Yorkie et al and it is a world away from being someone who is capable of merely playing at centre half.


If that’s what you meant then that’s what you should have said Sandy :lol:

You’ve typed above ‘Nigel has decided to play 3 centre halves but has only Harbottle and Hewitt who are recognised in those positions’.

Also I don’t want to speak on Robs behalf but I don’t think that was his point either, as he said if our best eleven stays fit all season we will be fine, so at least one of the three he is happy with.


I thought that’s what I’ve been saying all along Mussy. Playing someone in a position on an occasional basis doesn’t make it their position and the one recognised as the position they’ve played in for the majority of their careers. I seem to remember Keith Cassel taking over in goal but it didn’t make him a goalie. Word play aside, would you have brought any of those three as new players into the club in those those positions and expected us to get automatic promotion?

In respect of Rob’s comments I don’t think being fine meant we would be promoted. Additionally to expect to keep all of your first team injury and suspension free is totally unrealistic. So on that basis alone how could we possibly be fine?

Perhaps you are correct about clarity and when I said we only have Hewitt and Harbottle who are recognised at centre half, I should have said who haven’t been turned into makeshift centre halves.


I know that’s what you’ve been saying, and that’s what I said. People outside the coaching staff of MTFC do not recognise Perch, Hawkins and O’Toole as central defenders, but they do, so the debate will go on and on. I think O’Toole will be fine, he was excellent for the majority of last season, and has already started in half of our victories so far, as has Perch, Hawkins in four. What do you consider Perch and O’Tooles favoured positions to be out of interest?

He did mean that, he said in it his earlier post current first eleven gets us top 3. Hewitt was available for 43 of 46 league games last season. Hawkins 41 out of 46, so whilst it’s of course unrealistic to think they will play every game, they’ve proven last season that they can be available for the 90% of the season.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Rob » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:39 pm

To be fair I said probably and obviously with the unlikely caveat that we get no injuries. Thats based primarily on our superb midfield.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby MTFCMusings » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:46 pm

Rob wrote:To be fair I said probably and obviously with the unlikely caveat that we get no injuries. Thats based primarily on our superb midfield.


You didn’t say probably, but I accept your revision :lol:

Anyway I think we have talked this topic to death, or at least I feel that way anyway.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Rob » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:53 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Rob wrote:To be fair I said probably and obviously with the unlikely caveat that we get no injuries. Thats based primarily on our superb midfield.


You didn’t say probably, but I accept your revision :lol:

Anyway I think we have talked this topic to death, or at least I feel that way anyway.


I did, it's here in this bit - I know I missed it off a later post, but you know what I mean ;)

Obviously FWIW, I agree with you, as does every Stags fan I know, we do lack depth (we only had 6 on the bench a couple of weeks ago) and we do need a quality, experienced CB. What others are failing to grasp is that whilst the current starting 11 is probably good enough for top 3, a few injuries in key areas will expose our squad. We saw last season what injuries and suspensions did to our results and only when we were able to field close to our strongest 11 did we go on that fantastic run. I suspect Clough knows and will be signing players in Jan, I hope our luck on the injury front holds until then.

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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Dan » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:54 pm

What if we end up signing a Nartey? I reckon that’s what is making NC a bit wary of getting someone in now or start of the season. He could spend a wedge and end up with a crock and no money to get anyone in January.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby AshoverStag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:16 pm

Hawkins did cover last season at the back and I admit was a liability at times. But…………he has done incredible, and is learning the role well.

But crikey. Come on. You didn’t expect him to be Bobby Moore over night did you :lol:

He now is showing to be excellent in a back 3 and in a division where the high ball and set pieces are prominent and a dominant winner of high balls is essential.

So what if he does not fit the mould as experienced CB who has been a CB all his Career.

Look at games he’s played in…..and the role expected and the success.

If he was put on the transfer market January I bet he’d be snapped up

And probably at CB :lol: :lol:
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby broomo » Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:26 pm

Sandy keeps saying the 88 points from 44 games is irrelevant. It's not, far from it. It has shown we can be incredibly consistent over a long period of games (2 short of a season).

Why am I confident we'll go one better than last season?

We can probably afford to lose 12 games between now and the end of the season (36 games) and we've shown no sign of doing that.

We've only lost 9 out of the last 44 (league games) and with our makeshift defence with 1 specialist centre half across 2 half seasons (Rawson and now Harbottle) we have a PLUS 29 goal difference.

Already this season we've had injuries or sickness in defence to Hewitt, Harbottle, Perch, Hawkins and O'Toole (not to mention Hartigan, Boateng, Oates, Quinn and Akins) yet the squad has coped, mainly down to being versatile and dare I say tight knit)

19 wins and 5 draws, or 18 wins and 8 draws from 36 games and we're there.

In other words if can beat every team below us at least once we need 8 points from 18 games against the rest.

After tomorrow we've got 18 games at home.

Our last 18 home games? 15 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat.

Whisper it quietly ;)
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby scotsstag » Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:47 pm

Richard Cranium wrote:Just pointing out your on nearly 13k posts and they're all raspberrys

Just pointing out his opinion is as relevant as anyone else's, so don't be an ignorant raspberry.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:39 am

broomo wrote:Sandy keeps saying the 88 points from 44 games is irrelevant. It's not, far from it. It has shown we can be incredibly consistent over a long period of games (2 short of a season).

Why am I confident we'll go one better than last season?

We can probably afford to lose 12 games between now and the end of the season (36 games) and we've shown no sign of doing that.

We've only lost 9 out of the last 44 (league games) and with our makeshift defence with 1 specialist centre half across 2 half seasons (Rawson and now Harbottle) we have a PLUS 29 goal difference.

Already this season we've had injuries or sickness in defence to Hewitt, Harbottle, Perch, Hawkins and O'Toole (not to mention Hartigan, Boateng, Oates, Quinn and Akins) yet the squad has coped, mainly down to being versatile and dare I say tight knit)

19 wins and 5 draws, or 18 wins and 8 draws from 36 games and we're there.

In other words if can beat every team below us at least once we need 8 points from 18 games against the rest.

After tomorrow we've got 18 games at home.

Our last 18 home games? 15 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat.

Whisper it quietly ;)



We are going over old ground and round in circles.

Just a couple of points. 88 points and still in league 2.

Only one recognised centre half last season. Without looking them up, I seem to remember someone called Forrester and Narty along with a couple more also rans who made little impact. I think Forrester contributed a reasonable amount even if the others didn’t, especially in respect of covering for pacey opposition players.

You keep crediting last season’s team in your points total but key players are no longer here, that’s what makes last season’s run irrelevant and count for nothing. You also fail to give league 2 the respect it deserves as it isn’t the easy league you seem to think and casually expect teams to roll over. Margins between top and bottom are very fine with almost any team capable of winning on their day, disrespect that and you are in trouble.

You have previously stated that we can’t expect last year’s run to be repeated but think we will win just about every home game, that isn’t logical and to succeed we will need a fair few away wins. We won’t beat every team below us at least once and don’t forget we’ve already played some of them at home so to achieve another win will mean doing it away. That includes Carlisle who should have scored at least 3 here.

I realise that I am being pedantic on some of my points and am normally optimistic when it comes to MTFC. Last year I was confident we would be ok, even when things looked their gloomiest and I backed Nigel to the hilt and was ultimately proven correct. This team is only just short in my opinion but that fine margin is the difference between automatic promotion and taking the risk of aiming for the playoffs along with about 8 other clubs.

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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby yorkshire stag » Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:01 am

Richard Cranium wrote:Just pointing out your on nearly 13k posts and they're all raspberrys


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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby marksay » Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:58 pm

So NC get a free after last night we will be mid table instead of staying with the 7
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby broomo » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:38 pm

broomo wrote:
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broomo wrote:Since the start of 2022..

We finished last season with 46 points from 24 games. Over the whole season that would have been 88 points and we'd have gone up as champions.

If you add this seasons 6 games...

We would have 55 points from the last 30 games. Over the whole season that would have been 84 points, joint top.

But yeah, we've got problems up front and in defence.

I could take it back to the 30th October 2021. We finished the season with 70 points from 32 games. Over the whole season that would have been 100 points and up as Champions.

If you add this seasons 6 games we have 79 points from the last 38 games. Over the whole season that would have been 95 points and up as Champions.

In that time we've also accrued 52 points out of 57 at home.

Problems everywhere?


Seeing as we are talking about this season’s squad maybe we should look at what IT has achieved. That’s 9 points from 6 games also known as 1.5 points per game. Equate that over 46 games and I make that 69 points over the season. Will that get us top 5? No it won’t. Will that get us into the playoffs? No it won’t. We can’t look backwards to previous seasons only at where we are at this moment in time.

You may be correct Broomo and this squad may over achieve and take us to the promised land but in a much improved league I very much doubt it.

You have to stop thinking that everyone is anti Clough and want him gone. That is not the purpose of these debates but rather how we think our season is going and what the prospects of promotion are.

No one wants to see Nigel fail and it’s in all of our interests that he doesn’t. It’s not about how many records Nigel breaks as a manager or even if he’s good or not. It’s simply about which League Mansfield Town Football Club play in next year and our thoughts as to how the club is progressing. The club is paramount to us, not the management team, not the players and if push comes to shove not even the owners. Understand that and you may just understand the fans.



I've said before it's such a cheap shot and diminishes both the thought, statistics and general football knowledge I put into my posts to dismiss it as every time I respond it's because I think everyone is anti Clough.

I don't think that at all.

Sometimes I can see where someone who is anti Clough is coming from but more often than not it's pure hyperbole and based on very little.

We're currently 2 points better off than we were at this stage last season and we have another 8 games until the end of the equivalent of last years horror run.

I'm absolutely convinced we'll be at least 8-10 points better off after the same 14 game spell.

While I understand it's unlikely we'll repeat last years incredible run from there on in, I do think this squad is capable of going on several 3 or 4 game winning streaks and I think that cushion will see us there or thereabouts.

This isn't exclusively about me defending Nigel, I'm also defending what I see as a very strong squad of players.


Bump.

Currently 13 points better off with 2 to play.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:56 pm

Broomo

We did well today against a very poor Barrow side who have just fallen to their 4th successive defeat. We were down to the bare bones and had a goalkeeping coach as a named substitute. Off the top of my head at least two of our defenders picked up bookings (for preventing breakaway runs) and Clarke was extremely fortunate not to get sent off.

We have once more picked up injuries to a central defender and even you must admit we are quickly running out of options.

You appear to be either totally missing the point or being deliberately obstinate that the squad cannot keep missing this amount of players particularly when all of the bookings start to lead to suspensions. We are only 12 games into the season and can’t put a full bench out and not for the first time. As the weather deteriorates, I’m sure our injury list will get longer.

We are nowhere near the end of the season and the effect of our shortcomings has barely had an opportunity to materialise yet. I still firmly believe that they will.

Come on here and crow when you are proven correct but at the moment, judging by the state of our very depleted squad, I don’t think you will be waking many up early in the mornings.
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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby scotsstag » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:00 pm

broomo wrote:
broomo wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
broomo wrote:Since the start of 2022..

We finished last season with 46 points from 24 games. Over the whole season that would have been 88 points and we'd have gone up as champions.

If you add this seasons 6 games...

We would have 55 points from the last 30 games. Over the whole season that would have been 84 points, joint top.

But yeah, we've got problems up front and in defence.

I could take it back to the 30th October 2021. We finished the season with 70 points from 32 games. Over the whole season that would have been 100 points and up as Champions.

If you add this seasons 6 games we have 79 points from the last 38 games. Over the whole season that would have been 95 points and up as Champions.

In that time we've also accrued 52 points out of 57 at home.

Problems everywhere?


Seeing as we are talking about this season’s squad maybe we should look at what IT has achieved. That’s 9 points from 6 games also known as 1.5 points per game. Equate that over 46 games and I make that 69 points over the season. Will that get us top 5? No it won’t. Will that get us into the playoffs? No it won’t. We can’t look backwards to previous seasons only at where we are at this moment in time.

You may be correct Broomo and this squad may over achieve and take us to the promised land but in a much improved league I very much doubt it.

You have to stop thinking that everyone is anti Clough and want him gone. That is not the purpose of these debates but rather how we think our season is going and what the prospects of promotion are.

No one wants to see Nigel fail and it’s in all of our interests that he doesn’t. It’s not about how many records Nigel breaks as a manager or even if he’s good or not. It’s simply about which League Mansfield Town Football Club play in next year and our thoughts as to how the club is progressing. The club is paramount to us, not the management team, not the players and if push comes to shove not even the owners. Understand that and you may just understand the fans.



I've said before it's such a cheap shot and diminishes both the thought, statistics and general football knowledge I put into my posts to dismiss it as every time I respond it's because I think everyone is anti Clough.

I don't think that at all.

Sometimes I can see where someone who is anti Clough is coming from but more often than not it's pure hyperbole and based on very little.

We're currently 2 points better off than we were at this stage last season and we have another 8 games until the end of the equivalent of last years horror run.

I'm absolutely convinced we'll be at least 8-10 points better off after the same 14 game spell.

While I understand it's unlikely we'll repeat last years incredible run from there on in, I do think this squad is capable of going on several 3 or 4 game winning streaks and I think that cushion will see us there or thereabouts.

This isn't exclusively about me defending Nigel, I'm also defending what I see as a very strong squad of players.


Bump.

Currently 13 points better off with 2 to play.

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Re: rumours on new signings

Postby broomo » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:06 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Broomo

We did well today against a very poor Barrow side who have just fallen to their 4th successive defeat. We were down to the bare bones and had a goalkeeping coach as a named substitute. Off the top of my head at least two of our defenders picked up bookings (for preventing breakaway runs) and Clarke was extremely fortunate not to get sent off.

We have once more picked up injuries to a central defender and even you must admit we are quickly running out of options.

You appear to be either totally missing the point or being deliberately obstinate that the squad cannot keep missing this amount of players particularly when all of the bookings start to lead to suspensions. We are only 12 games into the season and can’t put a full bench out and not for the first time. As the weather deteriorates, I’m sure our injury list will get longer.

We are nowhere near the end of the season and the effect of our shortcomings has barely had an opportunity to materialise yet. I still firmly believe that they will.

Come on here and crow when you are proven correct but at the moment, judging by the state of our very depleted squad, I don’t think you will be waking many up early in the mornings.


Barrow are so poor that before today they were 6th.

You put so much effort into trying to show where we're going wrong, it's frightening.

92 points from 46.

14 from the last 6 and unbeaten in those 6.

You're in danger of missing out on all the fun the kind of run we've been on has brought and will bring.

I just don't get it.

I'm not crowing by the way but how many times do I need to be right before you'll acknowledge I might know a little bit about the game?
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