Stagsnet report - Tranmere 12 Mar 2022

[Martin Shaw]

https://stagsnet.net/match/reports/view ... tchid=1146

[bobbystagsfan]

what did you think to the ref Martin? Maybe us stags there were biased but I thought he was shocking

[Martin Shaw]

what did you think to the ref Martin? Maybe us stags there were biased but I thought he was shocking

more of a problem with the linesman!

[bobbystagsfan]

what did you think to the ref Martin? Maybe us stags there were biased but I thought he was shocking

more of a problem with the linesman!

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

[Martin Shaw]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

[grufti]

I said the 2nd was offside in real time, no-one else seemed to notice

[bobbystagsfan]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

Unreal how they've missed that

[MTFCMusings]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

Doesn’t the fact Perch played the ball change things?

[Martin Shaw]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

Doesn’t the fact Perch played the ball change things?

No

[MTFCMusings]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

Doesn’t the fact Perch played the ball change things?

No

The way I read the rules it does. Perch deliberately played the ball, the offside player received the ball from an opponent deliberately playing the ball.

I could be wrong but that’s the way it reads to me.

[part time pete]

They always flag when ball is saved by a keeper and rebounds to forward who puts it in.

[MTFCMusings]

They always flag when ball is saved by a keeper and rebounds to forward who puts it in.

It’s different if it’s a deliberate save by an opponent.

I’ve watched a few similar clips and read a few articles and I’m convinced the goal was allowed to stand correctly. Simply standing offside is not an offence unless your interfering with play by touching the ball or interfering with an opponent.

[Martin Shaw]

They always flag when ball is saved by a keeper and rebounds to forward who puts it in.

It’s different if it’s a deliberate save by an opponent.

I’ve watched a few similar clips and read a few articles and I’m convinced the goal was allowed to stand correctly. Simply standing offside is not an offence unless your interfering with play by touching the ball or interfering with an opponent.

you are right Sam. Thanks for pointing it out.

I knew I'd seen a Sky video on this sort of incident, but the analysis is the opposite of what I thought.

My update:
UPDATE: I’ve changed my mind on this. Whilst Nevitt was standing in an offside position, he is technically not offside because Perch stretched to block the pass and didn't get enough on it to stop it.
There is a similar incident here analysed by Dermot Gallagher which stands as a goal.

[Bradders]

Was hard to tell from where we were stood, but on the highlights I thought the 3rd was offside but the second wasn't but hey ho. We've had some decisions and luck go in our favour for quite a while so it feels like we were due some bad decisions

the second goal was a yard offside

Unreal how they've missed that

You can't tell from that still whether he was offside or not. It's impossible to see how far the ball has travelled from the passing player's foot, or indeed whether it's an inch before being struck or an inch after. It's blurred, on the wrong side, and too far away to see the precise detail.

That fraction of a second is possibly enough for the running Rawson to put the static Tranmere player level or onside. We get the same problem with VAR, where part of the shoulder of the striker is an inch onside in one frame, an inch offside in the next, but you can't see exactly when the ball has wholly left the passing player's boot. Yet somehow an offside decision is made.

[Martin Shaw]

You can't tell from that still whether he was offside or not. It's impossible to see how far the ball has travelled from the passing player's foot, or indeed whether it's an inch before being struck or an inch after. It's blurred, on the wrong side, and too far away to see the precise detail.

That fraction of a second is possibly enough for the running Rawson to put the static Tranmere player level or onside. We get the same problem with VAR, where part of the shoulder of the striker is an inch onside in one frame, an inch offside in the next, but you can't see exactly when the ball has wholly left the passing player's boot. Yet somehow an offside decision is made.

to be clear, I've frozen the photo on the exact frame when the ball is played, otherwise it would be a nonsense to post the photo. So he is standing in an offside position, there is no doubt about that.

However, that is rendered irrelevant, if you watch the Dermot Gallagher analysis of a similar incident above.

[Martin Shaw]

my full report is now on
https://stagsnet.net/match/reports/view ... tchid=1146

[Upper West]

The way I read the rules it does. Perch deliberately played the ball, the offside player received the ball from an opponent deliberately playing the ball.

I think that is correct

Many will remember the Christie goal at Meadow Lane when he was at least 25 yards offside when the ball was played forward but as the ball was then miskicked by a County player he was not offside

[Upper West]

There was another example in the ManU - Spurs game.

The cross which led to Spurs 2nd goal was aimed towards Romero who was a yard offside. Fortunately for Spurs Maguire got to the ball first and scored and put it in his own net.