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[bellwhiff]

Broomo, I've said a few of those before. Let's address them. I am aware that not all of them are aimed at me though

Poor tactics.

They were poor, we we're clearly shoehorning players into a preferred formation and whilst it worked on our left, our right was frequently left woefully exposed, I suggested that a midfield 5 would suit us in a back 3 or 4-5-1 and was laughed at. Well I'd say I was correct. Get Clarke or whoever is at RCM in the diamond to protect the full back then it'll work.



Poor team selection.

I said this, along with Gordon isn't a right back and you play your best players in their best postitions. If out of position you play your experienced players out of position. I said Hewitt is best at RB or RCB in a back 3. RWB he's decent but that's 3rd on his list of positions for me. We'd got wingers at both full back positions, RB at CB. Hawkins, O'Tooloe and McLaughlin are all experienced players. Hawkins said he enjoys playing CB before he joined so I'm happy for him to cover there. O'Toole is a midfielder who dropped back into defence, this is not unheard of in football. Macca, I was unsure of but he's grown on me and saw him as a temporary replacement but he's been nothing short of a relevation there. My issue was there was more "natural" players on the bench or elsewhere on the pitch for some games we lost. No surprise to me that playing you're best available players in their best positions yield favourable results.



He's clueless.

I don't think I ever called him that. You don't have a career like Nigel has by being clueless



Terrible man management.

I said this, I still stand by my assertion that publicly questioning his professional integrity immediately after the game was uncalled for especially when through most of the game he was on his own vs 2 players.



Just as bad as Dempster and Coughlan.

The results were very similar to Dempster and Coughlan




Rubbish last 2 transfer windows.

They weren't great though were they, defensively?


If I remember correctly you were having a pop at me for suggesting we needed more CB when the season started. We signed 2. I suggested we needed another after the injury to Nartey and Forrester still not back. We signed O'Toole. Then we had an upturn in form.

Good post.

[broomo]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

[gazza1988]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

So we started with Lapslie and Bowery as wing backs? I thought we had Hewitt at RB and Macca at LB.

Or did we lose Macca at half time which forced the change?

When it's forced I have no issue with it, which I've said before but it's easy to criticise if you ignore it. Burke was on the bench and he's not impressed enough when he's been brought on in my opinion.

We are missing players, but playing so many players in their backup position from the get go doesn't work either. He stopped doing it and stuck to playing players in positions they are 100% comfortable with and we've hit form. It's not rocket science.

Basically you said he'd turned it round, I just said how he could do it. You said the answer and I showed my working out

[NEStag]

The third goal was just analysed on the FA Cup Match of the Day. They said it wouldn’t have been out of place at the Nou Camp or something like that.

[bear 73]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

So we started with Lapslie and Bowery as wing backs? I thought we had Hewitt at RB and Macca at LB.

Or did we lose Macca at half time which forced the change?

When it's forced I have no issue with it, which I've said before but it's easy to criticise if you ignore it. Burke was on the bench and he's not impressed enough when he's been brought on in my opinion.

We are missing players, but playing so many players in their backup position from the get go doesn't work either. He stopped doing it and stuck to playing players in positions they are 100% comfortable with and we've hit form. It's not rocket science.

Basically you said he'd turned it round, I just said how he could do it. You said the answer and I showed my working out

What are you doing on here Donny needs you, we will stick with Clough

[HU7stag]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

So we started with Lapslie and Bowery as wing backs? I thought we had Hewitt at RB and Macca at LB.

Or did we lose Macca at half time which forced the change?

When it's forced I have no issue with it, which I've said before but it's easy to criticise if you ignore it. Burke was on the bench and he's not impressed enough when he's been brought on in my opinion.

We are missing players, but playing so many players in their backup position from the get go doesn't work either. He stopped doing it and stuck to playing players in positions they are 100% comfortable with and we've hit form. It's not rocket science.

Basically you said he'd turned it round, I just said how he could do it. You said the answer and I showed my working out

What are you doing on here Donny needs you, we will stick with Clough

W.T.F?

[gazza1988]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

So we started with Lapslie and Bowery as wing backs? I thought we had Hewitt at RB and Macca at LB.

Or did we lose Macca at half time which forced the change?

When it's forced I have no issue with it, which I've said before but it's easy to criticise if you ignore it. Burke was on the bench and he's not impressed enough when he's been brought on in my opinion.

We are missing players, but playing so many players in their backup position from the get go doesn't work either. He stopped doing it and stuck to playing players in positions they are 100% comfortable with and we've hit form. It's not rocket science.

Basically you said he'd turned it round, I just said how he could do it. You said the answer and I showed my working out

What are you doing on here Donny needs you, we will stick with Clough

Sorry, you'll have to explain that one?

I'm on here because I'm a stags fan and a moderator. What do Donny need me for? When did I say to change Clough?

I'm genuinely confused.

[Spiritater]

Rubbish post.

We win yesterday with Bowery and Lapslie at wing back.

Gazza goes on and on (and on) about playing players out of position.

The simple fact is we were missing too many of our better players too often.

As soon as we got some of them back we started winning. It's not rocket science.

So we started with Lapslie and Bowery as wing backs? I thought we had Hewitt at RB and Macca at LB.

Or did we lose Macca at half time which forced the change?

When it's forced I have no issue with it, which I've said before but it's easy to criticise if you ignore it. Burke was on the bench and he's not impressed enough when he's been brought on in my opinion.

We are missing players, but playing so many players in their backup position from the get go doesn't work either. He stopped doing it and stuck to playing players in positions they are 100% comfortable with and we've hit form. It's not rocket science.

Basically you said he'd turned it round, I just said how he could do it. You said the answer and I showed my working out

What are you doing on here Donny needs you, we will stick with Clough

Confusing

[bellwhiff]

More unintelligible gibbering

[broomo]

It's not that confusing.

He's basically saying Gazza knows so much about football, having worked out how to fix our problems, he should be a manager. Donny need a manager.

If Gazza had his way and Nigel listened to him and simply played players in their natural position we wouldn't be 15th.

Doesn't matter that most of those choices were forced through injury or suspension.

By the way, we were 1 down before the forced change on Saturday.

Players play slightly out of position for clubs up and down the country week in week out but one poster is so fixated on it he's turned that into the root of our problems and pretty much ignored the injury list.

[gazza1988]

So what's with sticking with Clough? I've not suggested he leave.

I've no interest in being Donny manager.

"most" of the choices were force through injury and suspension. Yeah the ones that were forced I think you'll find I didn't complain about. Just the ones where there were better roptions, in my opinion.

If I had my way we possibly might not be 15th. Who knows. Could be top, could be rock bottom. Although having said that form has picked up recently, when my opinions have manifestedin the squad selection.

We were 1-0 down, this is true, not sure what relevance that has to what I've said. It was a goal against the run of play. They happen in football. There's no foolproof plan in football, no guarantee of victory. I've not watched the game, but from what I can gather we had all the play but they hit us with a sucker punch.

I'm well aware players play out of position up and down the country, you're trying to turn it into me saying players have 1 position and 1 position only. Not saying that at all. I'm saying they have 1 position they are best at, then with experience they are better at moving positions.

It's not the root cause of our problems but it's certainly not helped. We still have a decent injury list. We aren't out of the woods yet in that regard. We've had players on it and off it all season (except Perch, obviously) injuries happen in football, I thought you'd know this, but teams manage.

At the end of the day this is a forum for people to voice their opinions, I voiced mine. They have been shown (so far) to be valid opinions so I don't know what yourself and bear's issue is.

[bellwhiff]

Non Stags tag team

Funny.

[part time pete]

It appears to me that Clough’s policy on team selection is that he has a list of players in order who he thinks are his best out field players.

The top ten available out field players start the game and he positions them into the best fit position wise.

His position is that good players can play most positions on the field.

Look at Maris on Saturday, everyone used to say he was our best holding midfielder but on Saturday he was excellent in a more advanced position.

Also the subs have a ranking like on Saturday, Bowery a higher ranking than Burke so Jordan came on and he fitted into a different system. I am sure on Saturday if Macca would not have been injured Bowery wouldn’t have played left wing back.

[one f in mansfield]

« Reply #13 on December 04, 2021, 11:24:35 pm by ColinDouglasHandshake »
Credit to the Stags fans. Sounded like they enjoyed their day out judging on their forum comments and from what i saw during the match.

Impressive turnout and second half in particular i thought they rocked the place. Putting us dummies in our places. In some odd way i actually felt pleased for them as experiencing emotions and an atmosphere like that at our level is a very rare event indeed. Was a joy to see.

Shame about the melt who chucked the flare but of course, you always get some arsehole.

Fully merited win and a great day out for some at least.

[bobbystagsfan]

Can people still not tell the difference between flares and smoke bombs?

[Chris M]

I started watching the Donny Blog, but cannot see the link now. Can anyone advise me where to look please?

[bear 73]

Monday now moving onto the 3rd round draw and a league match on tuesday.
gazza1988 here his were i stand in these turbulent time i can understand the Radfords wanting stability, i like the way David Sharpe does his job quietly and efficiently.
I trust the management and his staff to take the club forward.
Now i assume you have spent many years like Clough around professional football and in the dark corners of the game, before telling Clough what he is doing wrong.
Poor Tactics, Poor Team Selection, Terrible Man Management, He is no better than Dempster and Coughlan Rubbish in transfer windows.
The audacity in my humble opinion of this post, giving advice to a legend has a footballer and Manager lead to my sarcastic comment.
i thought it was taking a opinion to far

[bear 73]

More unintelligible gibbering

Cannot reply to this it is not football related

[gazza1988]

Monday now moving onto the 3rd round draw and a league match on tuesday.
gazza1988 here his were i stand in these turbulent time i can understand the Radfords wanting stability, i like the way David Sharpe does his job quietly and efficiently.
I trust the management and his staff to take the club forward.
Now i assume you have spent many years like Clough around professional football and in the dark corners of the game, before telling Clough what he is doing wrong.
Poor Tactics, Poor Team Selection, Terrible Man Management, He is no better than Dempster and Coughlan Rubbish in transfer windows.
The audacity in my humble opinion of this post, giving advice to a legend has a footballer and Manager lead to my sarcastic comment.
i thought it was taking a opinion to far

I've not told Clough what he's doing wrong, never spoke to the bloke. I voiced my opinion on a message board dude. You're reading way too far into an opinion. Does Clough browse fan message boards? If he doesn't then I've advised him on nothing. He's turned it around himself. The difference is he's turned it around the same way I, in my opinion, said he should do it.

I'm not after his job or anything so don't panic.

Funny you don't deride people when they pick an XI on the match thread. Is that not the same as what you're having a pop at me for? Telling Clough who he should pick and what formation?

[broomo]

So what's with sticking with Clough? I've not suggested he leave.

I've no interest in being Donny manager.

"most" of the choices were force through injury and suspension. Yeah the ones that were forced I think you'll find I didn't complain about. Just the ones where there were better roptions, in my opinion.

If I had my way we possibly might not be 15th. Who knows. Could be top, could be rock bottom. Although having said that form has picked up recently, when my opinions have manifestedin the squad selection.

We were 1-0 down, this is true, not sure what relevance that has to what I've said. It was a goal against the run of play. They happen in football. There's no foolproof plan in football, no guarantee of victory. I've not watched the game, but from what I can gather we had all the play but they hit us with a sucker punch.

I'm well aware players play out of position up and down the country, you're trying to turn it into me saying players have 1 position and 1 position only. Not saying that at all. I'm saying they have 1 position they are best at, then with experience they are better at moving positions.

It's not the root cause of our problems but it's certainly not helped. We still have a decent injury list. We aren't out of the woods yet in that regard. We've had players on it and off it all season (except Perch, obviously) injuries happen in football, I thought you'd know this, but teams manage.

At the end of the day this is a forum for people to voice their opinions, I voiced mine. They have been shown (so far) to be valid opinions so I don't know what yourself and bear's issue is.

Which inexperienced player has been played out of position?

No issue as such, just observations.

[Rob]

Monday now moving onto the 3rd round draw and a league match on tuesday.
gazza1988 here his were i stand in these turbulent time i can understand the Radfords wanting stability, i like the way David Sharpe does his job quietly and efficiently.
I trust the management and his staff to take the club forward.
Now i assume you have spent many years like Clough around professional football and in the dark corners of the game, before telling Clough what he is doing wrong.
Poor Tactics, Poor Team Selection, Terrible Man Management, He is no better than Dempster and Coughlan Rubbish in transfer windows.
The audacity in my humble opinion of this post, giving advice to a legend has a footballer and Manager lead to my sarcastic comment.
i thought it was taking a opinion to far

I've not told Clough what he's doing wrong, never spoke to the bloke. I voiced my opinion on a message board dude. You're reading way too far into an opinion. Does Clough browse fan message boards? If he doesn't then I've advised him on nothing. He's turned it around himself. The difference is he's turned it around the same way I, in my opinion, said he should do it.

I'm not after his job or anything so don't panic.

Funny you don't deride people when they pick an XI on the match thread. Is that not the same as what you're having a pop at me for? Telling Clough who he should pick and what formation?

I don't agree gazza, results have turned around because we have our best players fit, it's as simple as that. Clough said during our bad run results will improve when injuries reduce, that's exactly what has happened. Any tactical changes have been made possible because we have more players to choose from.

[gazza1988]

Harry Charsley and Kellan Gordon.come to mind.

It's time for me to get back to work. But that's been our right hand side. For decent amount of games. Charsley more so than Gordon (obviously) but we've put the experienced right back at right back and we've done well. We've put centre halves at centre half and we've done well. It's no surprise to me.

[gazza1988]

Monday now moving onto the 3rd round draw and a league match on tuesday.
gazza1988 here his were i stand in these turbulent time i can understand the Radfords wanting stability, i like the way David Sharpe does his job quietly and efficiently.
I trust the management and his staff to take the club forward.
Now i assume you have spent many years like Clough around professional football and in the dark corners of the game, before telling Clough what he is doing wrong.
Poor Tactics, Poor Team Selection, Terrible Man Management, He is no better than Dempster and Coughlan Rubbish in transfer windows.
The audacity in my humble opinion of this post, giving advice to a legend has a footballer and Manager lead to my sarcastic comment.
i thought it was taking a opinion to far

I've not told Clough what he's doing wrong, never spoke to the bloke. I voiced my opinion on a message board dude. You're reading way too far into an opinion. Does Clough browse fan message boards? If he doesn't then I've advised him on nothing. He's turned it around himself. The difference is he's turned it around the same way I, in my opinion, said he should do it.

I'm not after his job or anything so don't panic.

Funny you don't deride people when they pick an XI on the match thread. Is that not the same as what you're having a pop at me for? Telling Clough who he should pick and what formation?

I don't agree gazza, results have turned around because we have our best players fit, it's as simple as that. Clough said during our bad run results will improve when injuries reduce, that's exactly what has happened. Any tactical changes have been made possible because we have more players to choose from.

You see it was a long list of injuries and I did shut up when it was really bad even defending some team selections. Or when change was needed but didn't have the personnel to change it effectively.

Said since the window slammed shut we needed another centre half. He got one. So tell me. How many times, in the league, has it been impossible to play Hewitt at RB, select 2 centre halves (I include O'Toole and Hawkins in that) and Macca at left back?

Don't forget Hawkins and DJ have been very recent additions to the injured and can't play list so we wouldn't be weakening up front.

[STAGS FOR LIFE]

[broomo]

Harry Charsley and Kellan Gordon.come to mind.

It's time for me to get back to work. But that's been our right hand side. For decent amount of games. Charsley more so than Gordon (obviously) but we've put the experienced right back at right back and we've done well. We've put centre halves at centre half and we've done well. It's no surprise to me.

So 2 inexperienced players out of position all season then?

Gordon has started 6 games and come on as sub in another 2.

For 5 of those games Charsley wasn't even in the squad, once was an unused sub, in the other 2 Gordon came on in the 86th minute and the 63rd minute.

I'm trying not to have a go but as I've said before, I think you're seeing a much bigger issue than actually exists.