broomo wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:broomo wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:Just saw a stat that Beech was sacked after a run of 7 wins in 27 league games. Clough has the same number of wins over the same period.
Straight question.
Do you want him sacked. Yes or no?
You keep asking me and I keep answering, no.
As I continue to clarify, it would not surprise me if he was given the modern game, as not many managers survive a winless streak this long.
I don't keep asking.
I made a comment on twitter that for someone who doesn't want him fired you keep posting reasons why he should.
Then I saw your comment on this thread so thought I'd ask you straight.
At the moment it seems social media (more than at the games) is full of people saying I don't want him gone but he's raspberries.
WHEN he turns it around the same people will expect their constant criticism to be forgotten.
I'm saying and have throughout that if he gets time he'll turn it around. Others think we're in a relegation dog fight and when it's clear we're not they'll just say we were when they hammered him from pillar to post.
I would like (though I understand it won't happen) for those who support him or at least don't want him fired, not to be the ones pouring more oil on to the fire.
He's sorted out clubs in worse positions than this and he'll sort this out as well (sheff utd dropped to bottom of the league in the January before finishing 7th and getting to the FA Cup semi final). Some fans think he's so daft he doesn't see things aren't good. He's not as daft as they think.
Broomo, I don’t want him to be sacked and feel he deserves time to turn things around based on the good job he did last season. Please believe me that if I believed he should be sacked, I would have no problem saying it. I was saying throughout all last season that he did a good job when others were critical, and I can’t remember criticising the transfer window last season when a lot of others did. I posted the stat for a few reasons. Firstly, I like stats in case you haven’t noticed. Secondly, someone mentioned last week (I think it was Rob) when I said that managers are lucky to survive such a run in the modern game that no other managers had been sacked yet, even those below us in the table, which was a reasonable point. So now we have a manager who has been sacked, it was an interesting comparison.
However, that doesn’t change the fact that the start to this season has been beyond disappointing, and there are numerous areas for which Clough has to take responsibility. To name three briefly without going into detail : Recruitment, defending set pieces, the generally terrible run of form. Two of those have nothing to do with the current injury crisis.
The disappointment is heightened if anything by my admiration of the job Clough did last season, and a firm belief I had at the start of the season that this could finally be the year. But in reality, it’s no different to the last two seasons so far. Unfortunately, or fortunately, you weren’t here to witness those starts and so I don’t think you can comprehend how disappointing it is for another season to start terribly after being sold a dream yet again.
The line in your post says it all about your view of Clough. ‘When he turns it around, People will expect their constant criticism to be forgotten’. There’s only a handful of people on here who constantly criticise, and nobody really pays much attention to their views. But you seemingly won’t accept any criticism, when it’s a perfectly normal part of being a football fan. And also, it’s spoken as if he is trying to turn around something which he has played no part in.
The key question is what is the acceptable amount of time he should be given to ‘turn things around’ with an already 9 league game winless run?[/quote]
I don't mind him being criticised, I've said myself that I think he's made mistakes. One of those was persisting with Kellan, who I've struggled to accept has been our first choice right back.
I don't mind criticism of his signings, even though I think it's too early to definitively write them off.
I don't mind genuine criticism, even a couple or 3/4 times, but when his character and ability is constantly pulled apart to the extent it dominates every thread and makes this place a horrible place to log in to, I think it's going too far and some (not all) of it is unjustified.
Those same "few" posters hammer Sharpe, Simon, JR, everything and I've always struggled to accept that "home" fans criticise to the point of vitriol and nastiness when it's about the club they supposedly care for deeply.
In terms of how long is too long, I think February. If we're still in the cart then I'd have no justifiable reason to complain if he was sacked.
I've been around football long enough to know that sometimes it's one result or one player away from clicking, from the whole mood changing.
I hope we get results soon. I hope we get that one player soon, whether that's Quinn coming back or whether it's a John Brayford type signing in January, I don't care.[/quote]
February is far too late.. we will be as good as down if he carries on like this til Feb!
Xmas at the very latest