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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:19 am

Johnny H wrote:why is Forrester on the bench ?
Surely if he is fit enough to be there he should have just come on ??

Forrester been out for about 10 weeks, arrived on Friday, So he is on the bench bonding with his new team mates and getting familiar with his surroundings..
Rushing him back too soon could add to his injury problems he is not match fit yet,
It has been standard practice to put young players on the bench as a learning curve, if 7 subs are not available
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:26 am

oldweststander wrote:Why wasn't Ward on when Maris left the pitch?

Is Nigel watching the same game as us?

Yes it was close but Oates offered a better chance of a goal, dammed if you do dammed if you dont [ in theory of coarse ]
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Postby Parkinsons Perm » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:29 am

bear 73 wrote:
oldweststander wrote:Why wasn't Ward on when Maris left the pitch?

Is Nigel watching the same game as us?

Yes it was close but Oates offered a better chance of a goal, dammed if you do dammed if you dont [ in theory of coarse ]


You haven't seen much of Oates then? :roll:
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:32 am

stagsfan6493 wrote:Played much better when Ollie Clarke went off

He is suffering with a broken nose , affecting his breathing and a yellow card to think about.
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:35 am

bobbystagsfan wrote:If we can't beat bottom of the league Oldham then who can we beat? Think Clough is going game to game now with his job. One more defeat and I can see that being it.

Positives are that Ward looked pretty good today and can see him starting next week and James Clarke had a decent game too. Lacking creativity though in the side and Oldham had the better chances today.

When will the injuries ever end? I hope Maris and Hawkins aren't out for long.

10 players missing in the second half, but hey ho p
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Postby HitchcocksShins » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:40 am

Oates has not done one single thing all season. I'm not talking about good or bad, I mean anything at all. He has done zero. Culminating in the 90th min yesterday when the ball was whipped into him and he had absolutely no desire to get on the end of it.

Have you ever had someone hold a door open for you but the distance is just a bit too far so it's kind of awkward and you speed up you walking pattern? Congratulations, you'd have outpaced Oates to that ball.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:41 am

pemill wrote:He'll be able to 'bull up' this performance, we had a go towards the end.

What gets me is how the strikers are supposed to score if we insist on playing in backwards and not getting any decent balls into the box, they've got nothing to get on the end of, nothing to anticipate getting on the end of.

We buy proven goal scorers and fail to supply them, unbelievable :roll:

Perhaps Quinn,, Sinclair, and Maris injured second half with Hawkins, and Clarke with a broken nose, did not help our coarse.
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:45 am

adamstag wrote:you have to wonder if clough has lost it.

Yet another miserable performance, oldham should have won that at a canter, just what was he thinking of when he made oates come on? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I mean, really?

the lads living off his name, still credit in the bank but good lord.

Can someone from the media please start asking him why his management so far at mansfield is so poor?

10 players out
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Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:50 am

HitchcocksShins wrote:Oates has not done one single thing all season. I'm not talking about good or bad, I mean anything at all. He has done zero. Culminating in the 90th min yesterday when the ball was whipped into him and he had absolutely no desire to get on the end of it.

Have you ever had someone hold a door open for you but the distance is just a bit too far so it's kind of awkward and you speed up you walking pattern? Congratulations, you'd have outpaced Oates to that ball.


He scored against Harrogate. That's something ;)

But yeah I get what you mean. Hes like the living embodiment of the word average. He gets into some good spots and makes some good runs but also does the opposite. I quite like him from a effort and enthusiasm point of view but the good stuff just doesn't happen often enough for my liking. He's a bit like Bowery this season, barely scores, can look good in patches but ultimately average. I like bowery, again from a effort point of view, but so little happens between the good stuff. With Bowery he does more wrong too, the past couple of games his control has been so poor he's given ball away unnecessarily.
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:54 am

yorkshire stag wrote:Danny Johnson just didn’t look bothered or any good today, Oates is non league std & Bowser just never won a ball all game, i’m absolutely struggling to take many plus points from today apart from gained a point & Ward & young Clarke played ok, Hewitt half decent second half however it made up for the first 45mins
if we had gone in 0-3 down at half time you couldn’t have complained

I want to see more from the manager in games apart from turning away shaking his head.
that was truly rubbish today & not good enough

I spend most of my time shaking my head and turning away
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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:09 pm

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Rob wrote:So Albert, who would you have had on the bench instead?

Anyone who was physically fit to play. He clearly had no intentions of playing him so what was the point ? Anyone, including a youth teamer would have been a more sensible option than a player who’s never even been at the club till a couple of days before and wasn’t fit to play. Are you so dumb that you can’t see that ?

you are not dumb, this certain poster has been asked to talk football, i have also had a warning about getting involved with this -----
Mean while the rest of us will stick to football. , i apologise on his behalf
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:16 pm

bear 73 wrote:
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Rob wrote:So Albert, who would you have had on the bench instead?

Anyone who was physically fit to play. He clearly had no intentions of playing him so what was the point ? Anyone, including a youth teamer would have been a more sensible option than a player who’s never even been at the club till a couple of days before and wasn’t fit to play. Are you so dumb that you can’t see that ?

you are not dumb, this certain poster has been asked to talk football, i have also had a warning about getting involved with this -----
Mean while the rest of us will stick to football. , i apologise on his behalf

I am sticking to football. Think that he can’t be part of the match day experience wothout being on the bench ? We lost a centre half and he didn’t come on so from a footballing perspective he wasn’t ever going to come on. So it was a wasted seat on the bench. That’s about football. Can you understand my point ?
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:20 pm

What about the goalkeeper? That's been a wasted seat every game this season.
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Postby bellwhiff » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:22 pm

gazza1988 wrote:What about the goalkeeper? That's been a wasted seat every game this season.

Oh do come on. That isn’t a wasted space. The bench keeper is there in case of injury or a red card to the keeper. You know that. It’s insurance. An injured player is a wasted position.
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Postby Parkinsons Perm » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:22 pm

bear 73 wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
Rob wrote:So Albert, who would you have had on the bench instead?

Anyone who was physically fit to play. He clearly had no intentions of playing him so what was the point ? Anyone, including a youth teamer would have been a more sensible option than a player who’s never even been at the club till a couple of days before and wasn’t fit to play. Are you so dumb that you can’t see that ?

you are not dumb, this certain poster has been asked to talk football, i have also had a warning about getting involved with this -----
Mean while the rest of us will stick to football. , i apologise on his behalf


You've made about 4-5 posts and not talked football !!!

You just keep repeating "10 players missing", stop making excuses.
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Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:30 pm

I wonder if Nigel Clough will learn a few lessons and go with a larger squad in January/next season (if still here).
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:11 pm

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gazza1988 wrote:What about the goalkeeper? That's been a wasted seat every game this season.

Oh do come on. That isn’t a wasted space. The bench keeper is there in case of injury or a red card to the keeper. You know that. It’s insurance. An injured player is a wasted position.


It is wasted if you don't use it, apparently.

He's not injured. Clearly Stoke wouldn't let us have him until he has recovered (or he would have been here and not Stoke for treatment). When players haven't played for a while they need easing into competitive games gradually (think pre season friendlies for all players). He's a centre back, something we need. He could rush him back and injure him again if he has more minutes than he can handle in his current state and aggravate his injury. We actually had a spare substitution yesterday. Possibly weighing up whether to risk him or not. Ultimately we didn't and we also didn't play the other subs, Law, Gale and Shelvey could have come one.

He's a a recently inured player very low on match fitness, played however long he did for Stoke in pre season and I believe he started their last game of last season., back in May, 5 months ago. That's a long time to be out.
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Postby Jamie » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:04 pm

I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.
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Postby bellwhiff » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:34 pm

Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

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Postby bear 73 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:47 pm

Yesterday i was pleased we got a draw, they won every thing in the air just like i dream of Mansfield doing bread and butter defending,
Our attack is powder puff Bowery six foot plus never let Piergianni, or McGahey know he was there, and Johnson and oates need to man up.
Our Defence or lack of it gave 100% bit shaky here and there , but Bishop was backing them up.
Sharpe and Ward gave a good display and was a credit to our youth policy. And Burke did not let us down.
Clarke gave a insight into a absolute battle and dealing with a defensive struggle with so many players missing, and said it was a point gained.
going against one of the posts on here,, he said the camerardri was fantastic.
Positives drawn 3 out of the last 5 games.
kept 2 clean sheets out of 3 games , and only lost to a dubious penalty
Gained a point on 7 teams
Rawson back for Northampton , Forrester getting fitter,
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Postby Conker » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:07 pm

Taking injuries in to account, we are still pretty terrible, very little quality in the final third and the diamond is completely sussed out and limits Ollie Clarke terribly.

Carl piergianni, who we wanted on deadline day and isn’t very good had a very easy day especially in the air - somebody needs to remind our team and management that Hawkins is in defence so smashing it upfront is a waste of time.
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Postby yorkstag » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:12 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I wonder if Nigel Clough will learn a few lessons and go with a larger squad in January/next season (if still here).

How big would you like the squad to be Darren?If we hadn’t got lots of injuries and suspensions we would be fine.
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Postby yorkstag » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:15 pm

Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

I agree with the gk but Forrester could have played a part but nowhere near 90. Which youngster would you have liked to be on the bench?
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Postby Rob » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:28 pm

yorkstag wrote:
Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

I agree with the gk but Forrester could have played a part but nowhere near 90. Which youngster would you have liked to be on the bench?


And surely it is far more important to get a loanee who could be a key first team player involved with the squad rather than someone who is not likely to feature at all this season. Clough said on Radio Nottingham that 45 minutes was too much, he did not say he would not have played him for the last 10-15 minutes if the game situation had allowed. It's just criticism for criticism sake, it had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the game.
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Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:58 pm

Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.


I'm not saying that I think the sub GK is not needed. What I'm saying is if putting a recently injured (since deemed "recovered") player on the bench is a wasted seat because he didn't get on the pitch then by the same logic the sub GK is a wasted seat because he doesn't get on the pitch either.

So any player who picks up an injury can never play again? How else will they gain match fitness. It's likely Clough decided not to risk him with the luck we had had so far that game (Maris and then Hawkins injury) probably had flashbacks to when Sarkic came on and got injured not long after last season, plus he's barely been in the building.

1 week training with his new teammates and maybe a friendly then he can come off the bench next week.

He was an option and Clough decided not to use it, he will have a week
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