Signing out of contract players

[marksay]

He did but we need a team to play on it

[marksay]

How is it that Salford can sign players outside the transfer window

[Martin Shaw]

How is it that Salford can sign players outside the transfer window

any club can sign out of contract players outside the transfer window. The issue should be: are they any good?

[gazza1988]

Also, are they match fit?

Ben Turner being a prime example. Took him a good 2 months to find his rhythm and actually look league standard.

Maybe that's why Clough isn't too bothered now. We've still got January to maybe buy one that is match fit and training fit. Or maybe he's got a couple in already on trial, either sign them because they look decent or if we have no choice.

[bear 73]

I was looking at some of the manager greats, has i believe history can determine the future, We have had some bad luck in the transfer market and injuries have put pressure on our squad.
On Sat we had 8 players not available so our league position suffers, This is where we play the blame game, with limited knowledge who do we blame, well JR gets a pass.
Sharpie working on a budget, well all deals that have fallen through he is to blame, Clough the manager works within Sharpies budget, highlights targets that will improve the team.
and we move from players on top of the list, down to who we can get.
Early season players settling in, and hoping for a injury free start.
Brings us now to what is a good manager, Quote from a top manager, Always get the best from what you have got.
JR has to work out what the club can afford, Sharpe has to make it work, Clough has to get the best from what he has got.
Thats MAGIC

[NEStag]

I was looking at some of the manager greats, has i believe history can determine the future, We have had some bad luck in the transfer market and injuries have put pressure on our squad.
On Sat we had 8 players not available so our league position suffers, This is where we play the blame game, with limited knowledge who do we blame, well JR gets a pass.
Sharpie working on a budget, well all deals that have fallen through he is to blame, Clough the manager works within Sharpies budget, highlights targets that will improve the team.
and we move from players on top of the list, down to who we can get.
Early season players settling in, and hoping for a injury free start.
Brings us now to what is a good manager, Quote from a top manager, Always get the best from what you have got.
JR has to work out what the club can afford, Sharpe has to make it work, Clough has to get the best from what he has got.
Thats MAGIC

Bear - who are your 8 players who would realistically get into the team?

I can count:

Quinn
Gordon
Nartey
Perch

I'm not counting Forrester as he was already injured when we signed him but that would still only be 5 (injuries and suspensions).

Are you including those loaned out?

[Martin Shaw]

The players unavailable on Saturday were: Perch, Nartey, Forrester, Gordon, Stirk (all injured), Quinn (suspended). These are the “We had six players missing" that Nigel Clough referred to post match.
Maris then picked up an injury but should be fine for next Saturday. Sinclair will be suspended. So it will be seven players missing on Saturday.

[NEStag]

The players unavailable on Saturday were: Perch, Nartey, Forrester, Gordon, Stirk (all injured), Quinn (suspended). These are the “We had six players missing" that Nigel Clough referred to post match.
Maris then picked up an injury but should be fine for next Saturday. Sinclair will be suspended.

Sorry yes - missed Stirk.

[bear 73]

The players unavailable on Saturday were: Perch, Nartey, Forrester, Gordon, Stirk (all injured), Quinn (suspended). These are the “We had six players missing" that Nigel Clough referred to post match.
Maris then picked up an injury but should be fine for next Saturday. Sinclair will be suspended.

Sorry yes - missed Stirk.

I countered Forester because he had a set back meaning a extra 2 weeks out, my 8th player was Sinclair who was missing from the 85th minute leaving 12 minutes left.
Martin has given the 7 not available against Barrow.

[NEStag]

Bear, sorry - it's still 6 that were unavailable for last Saturday, as Martin said.

You've counted Forrester twice (he was already in Martin's 6) and you can't count Sinclair as unavailable for [last] Saturday when he's only been sent off with 5 minutes to go...

[marksay]

So who is in the frame

[marksay]

All gone quite

[Parkinsons Perm]

All gone quite

Quite what?

[Martin Shaw]

All gone quite

this is what Nigel Clough said yesterday:

“There are one or two names that are under discussion at the moment.

“It depends on the news we get about Kellan and Ryan Stirk, and how long they’re going to be out for.”

see viewtopic.php?p=909424#p909424

By the way, since this thread is actually about signing out of contract players, I will rename it to something that reflects the discussion

[gazza1988]

All gone quite

this is what Nigel Clough said yesterday:

“There are one or two names that are under discussion at the moment.

“It depends on the news we get about Kellan and Ryan Stirk, and how long they’re going to be out for.”

see viewtopic.php?p=909424#p909424

By the way, since this thread is actually about signing out of contract players, I will rename it to something that reflects the discussion

Why would it depend on the news of Gordon and Stirk? That got me.

Surely we should be looking for centre back(s)?

We've got Hewitt and Clarke for right back. It feels like we've got 100 or so midfielders (only slight exaggeration there ).

Only thing I can think of is we maybe can claim wages from an insurance policy or something. Freeing up a bit of cash to spend on another player or 2? Guessing but possible, I suppose.

Just seems weird we've got our best striker at centre half and we are waiting on the results of injures to 2 players who don't play centre half.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

All gone quite

this is what Nigel Clough said yesterday:

“There are one or two names that are under discussion at the moment.

“It depends on the news we get about Kellan and Ryan Stirk, and how long they’re going to be out for.”

see viewtopic.php?p=909424#p909424

By the way, since this thread is actually about signing out of contract players, I will rename it to something that reflects the discussion

Why would it depend on the news of Gordon and Stirk? That got me.

Surely we should be looking for centre back(s)?

We've got Hewitt and Clarke for right back. It feels like we've got 100 or so midfielders (only slight exaggeration there ).

Only thing I can think of is we maybe can claim wages from an insurance policy or something. Freeing up a bit of cash to spend on another player or 2? Guessing but possible, I suppose.

Just seems weird we've got our best striker at centre half and we are waiting on the results of injures to 2 players who don't play centre half.

Could it be that we will struggle through if those two are only short term but invest if they are out for longer?. It could be they may also be out for more than a week or two which would leave us exceedingly short.

[chip63]

If Gordon is a long injury it stops Hewitt going to the centre of defence and that stops Hawkins going back up top.
I think Clough would like Gordon Hewitt Rawson and Macca at the back and Hawkins back up front.
That could mean a new right back coming in as cover or even a start, I'm sure by now we would of got a centre half in if any good ones were available.

[gazza1988]

I though that too, but Hewitt and J. Clarke can play RB (do we need a 4th if we are still counting Gordon as a right back?) . That's plenty of cover for Gordon.

As for Stirk. We've got Maris, O. Clarke, Charsley, Ward, Law, Quinn back in 3 games, Lapslie. That's 7. Macca played championship football in Central midfield, Hewitt has played there before, there's 9. Again, plenty of cover.

For me that's not exceedingly short, in those positions.

Unless Clough thinks Hewitt plays better as a centre back and doesn't rate Clarke. In which case we are "short" at right back.

Mind you we have played 4-4-2 recently so maybe Clough is waiting to find out if Gordon will be out for a while before signing a right winger to replace him, Sinclair is suspended for 3 weeks so we know how long he is out for.

[Martin Shaw]

With defenders Perch, Nartey, Forrester, all out through injury, if Gordon is going to be out long term, then simply in terms of numbers, I think you could argue we need to get another body (defender) in. I think that is why it might depend on the news on Gordon's injury.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

I think purely in numbers the squad would be short. We were running with a smaller squad anyway and although we have cover for individual positions, squad numbers are well down. We may have a starting 11 but we wouldn’t have a lot on the bench and in today’s game the ability to change a game is essential.

[gazza1988]

With defenders Perch, Nartey, Forrester, all out through injury, if Gordon is going to be out long term, then simply in terms of numbers, I think you could argue we need to get another body (defender) in. I think that is why it might depend on the news on Gordon's injury.

Yeah, I agree. My argument is we need numbers regardless. Our problem position is centre back.

Let's assume Gordon is fit and available and he goes right back and Hewitt back to centre back, Hawkins back up front. That's a threadbare defence still. Forrester is an unknown quantity, he'll need time to get match fit properly regardless. Nartey is still probably 6 weeks away. I reckon early to mid November time if all goes to plan, not had much game time either.

Still seems a little short to me. We took the gamble of a threadbare defence when the season started. Signed 2 on loan because it was already going south before the window closed so brought in 2 defenders, 1 injured and the other couldn't wait to send paperwork through (in fairness I think that was more so the transfer could go through, it was quite late, and not that they wanted shot of him) and a setback to the injured player.

It's a gamble that hasn't paid off and we seem intent on making the same gamble again. I just hope it comes off.

[Amber Andy]

Out of contract players are a last resort and never the real solution. That's why they are out of contract.

Seldom do you pick up a gem. Kristian Pearce was an exception, but even he had pre season training with us.

If our defence is short on numbers due to injury, then we will need to go down this route. If we, do the chances are he will be a stop gap not a world beater.

[oldweststander]

Didn't Nigel say Forrester due in on October 1st?

[MTFCMusings]

Didn't Nigel say Forrester due in on October 1st?

He said another couple of weeks on 14th September.

[marksay]

As I started this thread it needs those who are in the footballing connections to step up and really make it happen

As at the moment every game we lose for sending off or injury, at this rate NC will be playing