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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby stag324 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:47 am

I do think Bowery needs to be in the team. He can hold the ball up, something that we haven't been doing, which doesn't help our defence.

Or maybe just sit him in front of the defence.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:19 pm

stag324 wrote:I do think Bowery needs to be in the team. He can hold the ball up, something that we haven't been doing, which doesn't help our defence.

Or maybe just sit him in front of the defence.


He couldn't hold up my grandsons toy bank.

He held it up that well against Colchester they skipped down the other end and got a penalty, this isn't the first instance of his great hold up play costing us either.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sweden Stag » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pm

Parkinsons Perm wrote:
stag324 wrote:I do think Bowery needs to be in the team. He can hold the ball up, something that we haven't been doing, which doesn't help our defence.

Or maybe just sit him in front of the defence.


He couldn't hold up my grandsons toy bank.

He held it up that well against Colchester they skipped down the other end and got a penalty, this isn't the first instance of his great hold up play costing us either.


A penalty which never was. Seen the "incident". Enough said.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Sweden Stag wrote:
Parkinsons Perm wrote:
stag324 wrote:I do think Bowery needs to be in the team. He can hold the ball up, something that we haven't been doing, which doesn't help our defence.

Or maybe just sit him in front of the defence.


He couldn't hold up my grandsons toy bank.

He held it up that well against Colchester they skipped down the other end and got a penalty, this isn't the first instance of his great hold up play costing us either.


A penalty which never was. Seen the "incident". Enough said.


Seen the result and Colchester 1, Sears pen. Enough said
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby chip63 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 pm

Our coaches should be able to get either Hewitt or Nartey ready for Saturday, If not both.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:06 pm

Maybe we should bring McLaughlin into the middle to play alongside Rawson and bring one of the young lads into the left back spot.

That would at least give us some experience there and the full backs could cover the running. Not ideal but could be a better solution than disrupting the forwards.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sedgwick » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:32 pm

Macca should be playing as a winger, get him forward and creating more and have a left back behind him to link with and cover him.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:23 pm

Sedgwick wrote:Macca should be playing as a winger, get him forward and creating more and have a left back behind him to link with and cover him.


Sorry Sedgwick but I can’t see how that would solve our problem at centre half.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:43 pm

Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby PEAR CIDER » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:53 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
Sedgwick wrote:Macca should be playing as a winger, get him forward and creating more and have a left back behind him to link with and cover him.


Sorry Sedgwick but I can’t see how that would solve our problem at centre half.


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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby yorkstag » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:01 pm

In response to the earlier post- can we recall Menayese now?
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby The One » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.


Do not think he can be recalled till Jan ?
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby chip63 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:08 pm

The One wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.


Do not think he can be recalled till Jan ?


Clough mentioned Bishops loan had a clause that if any party unhappy, the loan ends.
I'm not sure if he said that applies to all loans we do.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Martin Shaw » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:09 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.

Menayese is out on loan for the season. However, Clough has said a few weeks ago in an unrelated interview that he would always put a break clause in every loan.
This would mean he could be recalled in January
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Amber Andy » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:52 pm

chip63 wrote:
The One wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.


Do not think he can be recalled till Jan ?


Clough mentioned Bishops loan had a clause that if any party unhappy, the loan ends.
I'm not sure if he said that applies to all loans we do.
Menayese would probably be more unhappy if he was recalled.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby chris wilson » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:10 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Maybe we should bring McLaughlin into the middle to play alongside Rawson and bring one of the young lads into the left back spot.


I'm not sure sticking a 5ft6 bloke at centre half is the answer. Especially when defending is the weakest part of his game.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:57 pm

chris wilson wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Maybe we should bring McLaughlin into the middle to play alongside Rawson and bring one of the young lads into the left back spot.


I'm not sure sticking a 5ft6 bloke at centre half is the answer. Especially when defending is the weakest part of his game.


Gazza, Gazza . It's wingers now at CH :lol:

In all seriousness, how's it come to this? I get the feeling NC only wanted to play Perch sparingly at CH or RB and then because of his rubbish recruitment he became his main man and now we're up the creek.

It's a sorry mess.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sedgwick » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:36 pm

Amber Andy wrote:
chip63 wrote:
The One wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.


Do not think he can be recalled till Jan ?


Clough mentioned Bishops loan had a clause that if any party unhappy, the loan ends.
I'm not sure if he said that applies to all loans we do.
Menayese would probably be more unhappy if he was recalled.


Don't know the exact rule but if you have a player out for the season and you have one on loan you can recall them early. Didn't it replace the emergency loan system?

Someone who knows the actual rules please?
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby MTFCMusings » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:49 pm

Emergency loans are only for goalkeepers.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Sedgwick » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:49 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:Emergency loans are only for goalkeepers.

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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Martin Shaw » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:55 pm

Sedgwick wrote:
Amber Andy wrote:
chip63 wrote:
The One wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Perch news just in. Menayese coming back looking more and more sensible every day.


Do not think he can be recalled till Jan ?


Clough mentioned Bishops loan had a clause that if any party unhappy, the loan ends.
I'm not sure if he said that applies to all loans we do.
Menayese would probably be more unhappy if he was recalled.


Don't know the exact rule but if you have a player out for the season and you have one on loan you can recall them early. Didn't it replace the emergency loan system?

Someone who knows the actual rules please?

see my earlier post. I'm sure he can be recalled in January, but not earlier
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby MTFCMusings » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:22 pm

I don’t think Clough will back down on Menayese or O’Keeffe.

Listening to a podcast at the moment with Febian Brandy. He was with Clough at Sheff U. Apparently he had decided he wanted Brandy out before he even took the job.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby broomo » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:09 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:I don’t think Clough will back down on Menayese or O’Keeffe.

Listening to a podcast at the moment with Febian Brandy. He was with Clough at Sheff U. Apparently he had decided he wanted Brandy out before he even took the job.


There are just as many examples of Niige changing his mind on a player as there are of him being "stubborn" including Tom Naylor.

I'd look at Fabien Brandy's playing record at every club he's ever been at to see where the real issue lies.

If he thinks Rollin or Corey are better than what he have and can do the job he wants, he'd bring them back no issues at all.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby Martin Shaw » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:15 pm

broomo wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:I don’t think Clough will back down on Menayese or O’Keeffe.

Listening to a podcast at the moment with Febian Brandy. He was with Clough at Sheff U. Apparently he had decided he wanted Brandy out before he even took the job.


There are just as many examples of Niige changing his mind on a player as there are of him being "stubborn" including Tom Naylor.

I'd look at Fabien Brandy's playing record at every club he's ever been at to see where the real issue lies.

If he thinks Rollin or Corey are better than what he have and can do the job he wants, he'd bring them back no issues at all.

I think he will recall Menayese in January. He told me he wouldn't have sent him out on loan if he'd known how it would pan out with injuries.
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Re: Defensive frailties

Postby MTFCMusings » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:18 pm

We will see I guess. The thing is, he sent Menayese out on loan when we only had three centre backs, so I don’t really understand his logic there.
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