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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby MTFCMusings » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:03 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:Bear, you're judging quality purely based on size of transfer fee, which is ridiculous. Wes Hoolahan was one of the best players in the league last season, cost nothing. If we'd have signed Johnson in Jan for 200k, would he have been a better quality player than he is now when we signed him for free?


To be fair, a good barometer of quality is wage demands. Thats why often teams with biggest player wage budgets (not necessarily transfer budgets) finish higher.
However, players who can demand bigger wages also require bigger transfer fees. It's not totally unrelated.


That is true, which is why I was talking about transfer fees :lol:
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby PEAR CIDER » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:57 pm

obviously know Quinn was coming, but its an excellent signing.
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby bear 73 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:09 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:Bear, you're judging quality purely based on size of transfer fee, which is ridiculous. Wes Hoolahan was one of the best players in the league last season, cost nothing. If we'd have signed Johnson in Jan for 200k, would he have been a better quality player than he is now when we signed him for free?


To be fair, a good barometer of quality is wage demands. Thats why often teams with biggest player wage budgets (not necessarily transfer budgets) finish higher.
However, players who can demand bigger wages also require bigger transfer fees. It's not totally unrelated.


Look in League 2 a club gets £750,000, In League 1 £1-5 million, Championship £6 million, Premier league £130 million plus E,S,T
So budgets between divisions are very different And Hoolahan in league 2 stands out like Quinn and they are quality and good at league 2 level.
To get out of this league we need someone who can make a difference,
Clough will get a good team but will be looking for that spark.
Clough says he has a good budget for league 2, and will not waste it, Clough knows quality just been watching Che Addams Southhamton and Scotland.
Clough bought him from Ilkeston town for £150.000, i saw him score 2 against Spurs on his debut
But clubs do get more money the higher the league they play in, and money matters
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:43 pm

And thats why league two teams should always have sell on clauses and the like whenever they sell to a higher level like I'm sure we have with CJ
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:08 pm

bear 73 wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:Bear, you're judging quality purely based on size of transfer fee, which is ridiculous. Wes Hoolahan was one of the best players in the league last season, cost nothing. If we'd have signed Johnson in Jan for 200k, would he have been a better quality player than he is now when we signed him for free?


To be fair, a good barometer of quality is wage demands. Thats why often teams with biggest player wage budgets (not necessarily transfer budgets) finish higher.
However, players who can demand bigger wages also require bigger transfer fees. It's not totally unrelated.


Look in League 2 a club gets £750,000, In League 1 £1-5 million, Championship £6 million, Premier league £130 million plus E,S,T
So budgets between divisions are very different And Hoolahan in league 2 stands out like Quinn and they are quality and good at league 2 level.
To get out of this league we need someone who can make a difference,
Clough will get a good team but will be looking for that spark.
Clough says he has a good budget for league 2, and will not waste it, Clough knows quality just been watching Che Addams Southhamton and Scotland.
Clough bought him from Ilkeston town for £150.000, i saw him score 2 against Spurs on his debut
But clubs do get more money the higher the league they play in, and money matters



But not all clubs rely solely on the money they get from the league. Some have bigger gates, others have better sponsors so you can’t just look on money from the league and say that’s where you are in the wages pyramid.
Who are you calling pedantic? I resemble that remark!
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby Dan » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:28 pm

Regarding Speight, it’s the typical action of a certain type of agent. He would’ve been saying to Wigan this is your last chance to give us what we want because the player is at another club having a medical. So that will force a clubs hand. If you really want a player of that quality then you’ll pay whatever it takes. Looking at Wigan’s squad he will be one of the best players there so they were always going to pay it. What’s interesting though is the problems they’ve had recently regarding paying players etc. Let’s hope Tom has made the right decision for his sake.
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby Amber Andy » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:56 pm

Dan wrote:Regarding Speight, it’s the typical action of a certain type of agent. He would’ve been saying to Wigan this is your last chance to give us what we want because the player is at another club having a medical. So that will force a clubs hand. If you really want a player of that quality then you’ll pay whatever it takes. Looking at Wigan’s squad he will be one of the best players there so they were always going to pay it. What’s interesting though is the problems they’ve had recently regarding paying players etc. Let’s hope Tom has made the right decision for his sake.
That's what an agent is paid to do, get the best deal for his player. The player then has to make up his mind whether to sign or not. Naylor has made his choice. He's a Wigan player now and as such it won't be of any concern to me whether it works out for him.
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Re: Clough update on transfers and naylor situation.

Postby bear 73 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:54 pm

Naylor has made his decision, must be a dream to play for Wigan, me im still looking where we are, i say we have signed 5 players, with 2 goalkeepers to come.
Im now thinking a forward, winger, giving us Bowery, Sinclair, Reid, Gordon, Charsley, Johnson,---A-n other, Thats 7 battling for a front 3.
Midfield is good enough, Clarke, Quinn, Law, Maris, Lapslie , Charsley Perch, Ward,, Mclaughlin, Gordon, Thats 10 battling for 3 midfield
Defence Gordon, Perch, Clarke, Rawson, Hewitt ,Mclaughlin, Charles, perhaps 1 more central defender depending what happens to Menayese.
im thinking only 1 or 2 coming not including goal keepers Thats 8 battling for 4 places.
could this be our squad
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