Ethos first then a new manager

[garlic]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

[georgefostersbeard]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

If Dempster had been successful or even still here, you could argue that the club had started developing an ethos of signing youngsters for the future, keeping old pros after retirement and moving them onto coaching at the RH Academy
Sharpe has then brought in the idea of signing players to be assets as well as effective on the pitch.
So there are the initial seeds of a sustainable approach which does excite me. Recruitment has not necessarily backed this up this year both in the selection of managers and players.

For me, there is huge work to do in order to bring fans into the ground when we are allowed back in. We have to undercut Forest when pricing for kids to come in so that local kids do not consider any other club to watch live unless they are going with family or friends. We have to work with local schools and clubs to source local kids to our academy as well as to be fans.

[Wilfred]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

If Dempster had been successful or even still here, you could argue that the club had started developing an ethos of signing youngsters for the future, keeping old pros after retirement and moving them onto coaching at the RH Academy
Sharpe has then brought in the idea of signing players to be assets as well as effective on the pitch.
So there are the initial seeds of a sustainable approach which does excite me. Recruitment has not necessarily backed this up this year both in the selection of managers and players.

For me, there is huge work to do in order to bring fans into the ground when we are allowed back in. We have to undercut Forest when pricing for kids to come in so that local kids do not consider any other club to watch live unless they are going with family or friends. We have to work with local schools and clubs to source local kids to our academy as well as to be fans.

Are there any channels through which a community ethos can be promoted and implemented at the club?
The SSA do a fantastic job for the kids in the community. But it perhaps needs a representative body of fans to implement a strategy that informs and helps the club management fully understand how things can be improved.

[KirkbyStag2]

Hi Garlic, when you refer to ethos don't mention Sedgewick, out of all the people who post on Stagnsnet he his full of it I shouldn't have to explain anymore

[Dan]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

If Dempster had been successful or even still here, you could argue that the club had started developing an ethos of signing youngsters for the future, keeping old pros after retirement and moving them onto coaching at the RH Academy
Sharpe has then brought in the idea of signing players to be assets as well as effective on the pitch.
So there are the initial seeds of a sustainable approach which does excite me. Recruitment has not necessarily backed this up this year both in the selection of managers and players.

For me, there is huge work to do in order to bring fans into the ground when we are allowed back in. We have to undercut Forest when pricing for kids to come in so that local kids do not consider any other club to watch live unless they are going with family or friends. We have to work with local schools and clubs to source local kids to our academy as well as to be fans.

It's impossible to do. We don't get the income that they do. Their FITC team is huge whereas we've only got a few. They go into all the schools in and around the Mansfield & Ashfield area giving out free goodie bags with shirts, free tickets etc in and they know they've done their job. We don't stand a chance up against that.

[georgefostersbeard]

Fair point but we miss a trick with our pricing structure so maybe family tickets, special offers etc

[ParisStag]

Lincoln are the model. I'm not sure what came first, togetherness or the Cowleys, but they got it absolutely bang on, whatever way round it was and everyone bought into the plan.

From what my Imp mates say, the Cowleys were a huge part in the community unity and huge surge in attendances there. I doubt we could get them in, but we need a management team that coproduces or at least co-leads all elements of the wider ethos/strategy alongside Sharpe and the rest of the senior staff team.

[Dan]

Fair point but we miss a trick with our pricing structure so maybe family tickets, special offers etc

Agree, our pricing structure for kids has been strange for many years. I can remember a few times my son coming home with Forest programmes from postponed matches, a sheet offering free tickets that you could apply for, stuff like that. Really wound me up.

[georgefostersbeard]

My 23 year old went to his first game at 7 with kids for a quid through school.
16 years later, he costs us a fortune in him coming to as many games as he can. And I love it!

[gazza1988]

I live in Beeston and my kids come home with applications for Notts County tickets.

I got asked by one of the teachers if my kids are going I said no. They asked why and I said they had behaved themselves so didn't think that punishment was appropriate.

I used to attend Saturday sessions in the mid-late 90s. Spend time having a kick around and playing table football speculating how many goals Steve Whitehall and Lee peacock will score. It was fun and helped make me a fan forever.

[Sedgwick]

Hi Garlic, when you refer to ethos don't mention Sedgewick, out of all the people who post on Stagnsnet he his full of it I shouldn't have to explain anymore

Explain via PM then...

[Sedgwick]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

If Dempster had been successful or even still here, you could argue that the club had started developing an ethos of signing youngsters for the future, keeping old pros after retirement and moving them onto coaching at the RH Academy
Sharpe has then brought in the idea of signing players to be assets as well as effective on the pitch.
So there are the initial seeds of a sustainable approach which does excite me. Recruitment has not necessarily backed this up this year both in the selection of managers and players.

For me, there is huge work to do in order to bring fans into the ground when we are allowed back in. We have to undercut Forest when pricing for kids to come in so that local kids do not consider any other club to watch live unless they are going with family or friends. We have to work with local schools and clubs to source local kids to our academy as well as to be fans.

It's impossible to do. We don't get the income that they do. Their FITC team is huge whereas we've only got a few. They go into all the schools in and around the Mansfield & Ashfield area giving out free goodie bags with shirts, free tickets etc in and they know they've done their job. We don't stand a chance up against that.

Dont they give every kid in the whole of Nottinghamshire the chance to have a free forest shirt on their 7th birthday as well? They did when I was at school and loads of kids had them!

[ladybr00kjohn]

Graham Alexanda former Manager of Salford may be a good target He got them promoted to div 2 and were sixth when he left them, seems his face didn't fit for some reason?

[arsene wengers coat]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Hi garlic. I just want to see a strategic/corporate aim set by the club and plan with SMART objectives to help us reach our shared goals. In the interest of governance, the club should publish it and request that the fans hold the board to account at AGMs.

It would give us a yardstick to measure progress and give employees a laser focussed target.

Not all clubs do this, but some do. Here is just a brief example of how a certain element of the wider football club is interwoven with the strategic aims. https://www.lutontown.co.uk/teams/acade ... y-mission/

[stagmanrob]

Our academy has already picked off the better players who were with Notts County's academy, it'd be nice now to start gettong players from the Chesterfield territories to pee them off too.

[RAFstag]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Respect
Integrity
Service
Excellence

[sunray]

You can develop all the youth team players you want but if the new manager will only come if he plays the experianced players. Promotion manager or mid table whilst creating assets for David Sharpe to sell.

[kevin kents tasce]

You can develop all the youth team players you want but if the new manager will only come if he plays the experianced players. Promotion manager or mid table whilst creating assets for David Sharpe to sell.

Don't talk wet.

No reason why we couldn't win promotion and develop a few player aged between 19-25 to sell on to profits at the same time.

Chesterfield had that exact model in place under Cook and still reaped the rewards from it last season when Cooper got promoted with Leeds.

It was only when he wanted to get promoted again and the chairman bottled it that it started to go wrong.

[Rob]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Hi garlic. I just want to see a strategic/corporate aim set by the club and plan with SMART objectives to help us reach our shared goals. In the interest of governance, the club should publish it and request that the fans hold the board to account at AGMs.

It would give us a yardstick to measure progress and give employees a laser focussed target.

Not all clubs do this, but some do. Here is just a brief example of how a certain element of the wider football club is interwoven with the strategic aims. https://www.lutontown.co.uk/teams/acade ... y-mission/

Have you just been on a course and thought you'd share it with us? Maybe you've done a bit of Belbin too

[Rob]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Respect
Integrity
Service
Excellence

I think I'm going to be sick!

[James]

You can develop all the youth team players you want but if the new manager will only come if he plays the experianced players. Promotion manager or mid table whilst creating assets for David Sharpe to sell.

There can be a middle ground. We’re a L2 club, every club at our level is a selling club. We’re just not used to it because we usually sign over the hill 30 year olds with no sell on value.

[arsene wengers coat]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Hi garlic. I just want to see a strategic/corporate aim set by the club and plan with SMART objectives to help us reach our shared goals. In the interest of governance, the club should publish it and request that the fans hold the board to account at AGMs.

It would give us a yardstick to measure progress and give employees a laser focussed target.

Not all clubs do this, but some do. Here is just a brief example of how a certain element of the wider football club is interwoven with the strategic aims. https://www.lutontown.co.uk/teams/acade ... y-mission/

Have you just been on a course and thought you'd share it with us? Maybe you've done a bit of Belbin too

I work in a very corporate environment. These things used to make my heart sink, but actually, they do help externalise the vision. Put in place milestones along the way and set out how you're moving to achieve each milestone. It works! Without all the corporate jargon, we don't have anything like this in place.

The Luton board picked them up from their lowest ebb, same as JR did for us. They had this in place and look where they are, and look where we are.

[The One]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Hi garlic. I just want to see a strategic/corporate aim set by the club and plan with SMART objectives to help us reach our shared goals. In the interest of governance, the club should publish it and request that the fans hold the board to account at AGMs.

It would give us a yardstick to measure progress and give employees a laser focussed target.

Not all clubs do this, but some do. Here is just a brief example of how a certain element of the wider football club is interwoven with the strategic aims. https://www.lutontown.co.uk/teams/acade ... y-mission/

Have you just been on a course and thought you'd share it with us? Maybe you've done a bit of Belbin too

I work in a very corporate environment. These things used to make my heart sink, but actually, they do help externalise the vision. Put in place milestones along the way and set out how you're moving to achieve each milestone. It works! Without all the corporate jargon, we don't have anything like this in place.

The Luton board picked them up from their lowest ebb, same as JR did for us. They had this in place and look where they are, and look where we are.

Is the answer, they are in Bedfordshire and we are in Nottinghamshire , do I win a prize ?

[Bradders]

Sedgwick, Aresene Wengers Coat and to a lesser extent myself, have been hammering on about the importance of an ethos which binds community, club, team, playing style and supporters. We needed an ethos years ago, but right now we need one more than ever.

Hi garlic. I just want to see a strategic/corporate aim set by the club and plan with SMART objectives to help us reach our shared goals. In the interest of governance, the club should publish it and request that the fans hold the board to account at AGMs.

It would give us a yardstick to measure progress and give employees a laser focussed target.

Not all clubs do this, but some do. Here is just a brief example of how a certain element of the wider football club is interwoven with the strategic aims. https://www.lutontown.co.uk/teams/acade ... y-mission/

Have you just been on a course and thought you'd share it with us? Maybe you've done a bit of Belbin too

I work in a very corporate environment. These things used to make my heart sink, but actually, they do help externalise the vision. Put in place milestones along the way and set out how you're moving to achieve each milestone. It works! Without all the corporate jargon, we don't have anything like this in place.

The Luton board picked them up from their lowest ebb, same as JR did for us. They had this in place and look where they are, and look where we are.

Is the answer, they are in Bedfordshire and we are in Nottinghamshire , do I win a prize ?

Perhaps we can just put a sign up at the players entrance saying "Externalise The Vision". Nobody would know what it means, but we'd be able to tick the "ethos" box and move on.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

‘Externalise the vision’

They’d think there was a Dalek in the tunnel