bobbystagsfan wrote:Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.
spstag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.
Yes we do... it’s not happening for him and as I’ve said I like him,
He’s out of form ..looks frightened to take someone on nowadays and generally in affective,
Use him as a sub if needs be but in my opinion he’s lost form and we have hungry players waiting.
bobbystagsfan wrote:spstag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.
Yes we do... it’s not happening for him and as I’ve said I like him,
He’s out of form ..looks frightened to take someone on nowadays and generally in affective,
Use him as a sub if needs be but in my opinion he’s lost form and we have hungry players waiting.
Benning hasn't been much better this season, largely inconsistent and we don't have anyone else who can naturally play on the left when we play 3 at the back.
Woodclanger 1 wrote:I don't usually join in on CJ debates.
Why, because he's been hung out to dry by DF and now JD as their system just doesn't suit him.
He's a nice lad and professional so does as he's asked, probably with a heavy heart but doesn't complain ala Anderson.
FarnieStag wrote:Not starting every match with Khan is criminal
gazza1988 wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:I don't usually join in on CJ debates.
Why, because he's been hung out to dry by DF and now JD as their system just doesn't suit him.
He's a nice lad and professional so does as he's asked, probably with a heavy heart but doesn't complain ala Anderson.
Hung out to dry
He was being touted as going to the championship 9 months ago. He was our 2nd top scorer. Just yesterday he went on a run down the left and cut inside to shoot and the keeper had to dive to push it away.
He has been somewhat out of sorts.
Answer me this, when Murray and Evans played him left wing, how many "trees" did he pull up?
He's come on leaps and bounds under Flitcroft improved his defensive game and is a more "complete" winger. When I say that I mean compare to when he was signed. Hes also improved his versatility. I have noticed that our wing backs are a little further up compared to last season. At times we see Shaughnessy drop back into defence and preston/sweeney fill in at full back.
Sometimes it just clicks and we show what we can do (Carlisle away) and other times it just didn't work and nobody seemed to know what to do (Exeter away)
The more we can keep a settled side (now we seem to have stopped collecting red cards) the more I expect us to do well.
spstag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:spstag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.
Yes we do... it’s not happening for him and as I’ve said I like him,
He’s out of form ..looks frightened to take someone on nowadays and generally in affective,
Use him as a sub if needs be but in my opinion he’s lost form and we have hungry players waiting.
Benning hasn't been much better this season, largely inconsistent and we don't have anyone else who can naturally play on the left when we play 3 at the back.
Khan can play with both feet, definitely quick enough and clever enough
BH_Stag wrote:FarnieStag wrote:Not starting every match with Khan is criminal
We have the players to come in that could help us play some really nice football. Mellis and Maynard must be desperate for Khan/OSJ to get a start with them to link up play, but yesterday we go with Macca behind the strikers and he was anonymous first half in that role. Whilst Rose is on the pitch though we tend to completely bypass the midfield which is probably why they don’t come on until we’re desperate for a goal.
EdwinstoweStag wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:I don't usually join in on CJ debates.
Why, because he's been hung out to dry by DF and now JD as their system just doesn't suit him.
He's a nice lad and professional so does as he's asked, probably with a heavy heart but doesn't complain ala Anderson.
Hung out to dry
He was being touted as going to the championship 9 months ago. He was our 2nd top scorer. Just yesterday he went on a run down the left and cut inside to shoot and the keeper had to dive to push it away.
He has been somewhat out of sorts.
Answer me this, when Murray and Evans played him left wing, how many "trees" did he pull up?
He's come on leaps and bounds under Flitcroft improved his defensive game and is a more "complete" winger. When I say that I mean compare to when he was signed. Hes also improved his versatility. I have noticed that our wing backs are a little further up compared to last season. At times we see Shaughnessy drop back into defence and preston/sweeney fill in at full back.
Sometimes it just clicks and we show what we can do (Carlisle away) and other times it just didn't work and nobody seemed to know what to do (Exeter away)
The more we can keep a settled side (now we seem to have stopped collecting red cards) the more I expect us to do well.
Good post, matey. I reckon Tuesday’ s game at the Wonk has taken on enormous importance.
FarnieStag wrote:Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players
Jamie wrote:It's only simple if both teams do the same thing and then its who produces best wins. I dont really care what formation we play, what matters is winning.
I just find 532 or whatever spin you put on it, is quite negative. You only ever have one wide on each side, no overlaps usually. You often have a defender with no one to mark, stood without anything to do.
Unless a team is playing 3 up front, which hardly anyone ever does. You simply shouldnt need 3 centre backs.
CJ was at his best under Evan's when he was free to cause havoc down the wing without having to be a defender at the same time. He also did well for a while under DF playing up front where his pace made his dangerous. A wing back he is not and will never be, imo.
gazza1988 wrote:Jamie wrote:It's only simple if both teams do the same thing and then its who produces best wins. I dont really care what formation we play, what matters is winning.
I just find 532 or whatever spin you put on it, is quite negative. You only ever have one wide on each side, no overlaps usually. You often have a defender with no one to mark, stood without anything to do.
Unless a team is playing 3 up front, which hardly anyone ever does. You simply shouldnt need 3 centre backs.
CJ was at his best under Evan's when he was free to cause havoc down the wing without having to be a defender at the same time. He also did well for a while under DF playing up front where his pace made his dangerous. A wing back he is not and will never be, imo.
4-4-2 can be negative too. The wingback overlap the wide central midfielder/attacking midfielder. How many times has MacDonald gone wide and got a cross in? Danny Rose's goal of the month was from a left wing cross from will tomlinson.
As I've said the left and right sided central defenders cover full back so there is protecting from counters down the flanks if caught in possession. The days of the rigid 4-4-2 are gone from the professional game. If it is used from time to time. its not used by teams gunning for promotion.
cassellswasmagic wrote:By simple I mean there seems to be a thousand different formations, including triangles, diamonds, rectangles etc, when in reality there isn’t more than a handful. It’s definitely over complicated imo. You only have to see how complicated Sky or BBC make it seem, drawing circles and lines and yet it’s simpler than even that. Keeps em in a job I suppose!!! Yes times change and soon even today’s popular formations will be out thought and replaced, but it can’t change much.
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