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Re: Time for change

Postby Sneag » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:53 pm

On paper the recruitment was fine in January, it just isn't working out on grass.
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Re: Time for change

Postby Amber Andy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:06 pm

8th Notts wrote:I just care about my club. Flitcroft is one dimensional. The cowleys can mix it

I think Steve Evans is available. He can mix it with the best.
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Re: Time for change

Postby cassellswasmagic » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:07 pm

DF has had some bad luck regarding strikers and definitely White, so I’m going to cut him a bit of slack. I want a manager here for a few years to build something, not just cast him aside when the going gets tough. I toughed it out during the non league years so this is paradise in comparison. Let’s get behind the lads....we can do it !!!
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Re: Time for change

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:39 pm

8th Notts wrote:I just care about my club. Flitcroft is one dimensional. The cowleys can mix it


We’re you off when they did common sense at school?
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Re: Time for change

Postby sw19stag » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:53 pm

It's obvious what you we're off for!
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Re: Time for change

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:33 pm

sw19stag wrote:It's obvious what you we're off for!


Do tell
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Re: Time for change

Postby 8th Notts » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:03 pm

EdwinstoweStag wrote:
8th Notts wrote:I just care about my club. Flitcroft is one dimensional. The cowleys can mix it


We’re you off when they did common sense at school?

Where were you during English lessons?
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Re: Time for change

Postby Chris M » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:37 pm

Not many teams go a season without a poor run of results, just unfortunate ours has coincided with the business end of the season. A couple of wins and all will be forgiven. Just wondering where the wins will come from. We are off to Exeter on Saturday in hope rather than expectation. Going to be a long journey home if we play like yesterday.
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Re: Time for change

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:31 pm

cassellswasmagic wrote:DF has had some bad luck regarding strikers and definitely White


You are always taking a bit of a risk if you sign a 33 year old striker. DF could say Danny Rose was his back up but DF did not seem to want Danny Rose at the start of the season. I always thought we were a striker short at the start of the season after Lee Angol left particularly a target man/Plan B striker.

I also don't think you can use your right wing back getting injured as an excuse. We again needed a proper back up but DF decided CJ Hamilton was going to be the back up followed by Will Atkinson. However neither of them are natural attacking right wing backs. CJ is better on the left or playing further forward.

DF has been given massive financial backing by JR and has no excuses although if we make the play offs then I would give him another chance next season even though we would have underachieved. JR might think otherwise though if we finish weakly and lose a play off semi-final. JR wants promotion.
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Re: Time for change

Postby chip63 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:34 pm

Don't know if it was Ian Wright who said Friday night that players become better after 10 games then 50 then 100
Should that not be the same for managers?
I'd like flitcroft to stay for another 2 seasons even if we don't get promoted.
His heart is in the stags the club and the town, I'm also sure given the time he will succeed with us.
I'm half happy we are moaning about not getting auto promotion instead of no hope at all
We have hope we have ambition we are :mtfc:

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Re: Time for change

Postby Chrisuknottm » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:32 am

I would agree with you about him staying .....he is a decent genuine bloke but he seems to have hit a brick wall regarding getting an improvement out of this group of players and his tactics seem to play to the other teams strengths not ours.....Ive said before on other threads why pump high balls forward to two hopeless in the air forwards who are better with the ball at their feet......how come both Lincoln and Crewe players were able to run 30 to 40 metres with the ball at their feet yet our players are closed down within one.......if theres three players on CJ cutting out his space to run and go into why arent two other players free and available..........our players seem flat footed and have no energy and definitely no desire.......
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Re: Time for change

Postby 8th Notts » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:06 am

Sneag wrote:On paper the recruitment was fine in January, it just isn't working out on grass.

On paper, the fat controller was a good appointment
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Re: Time for change

Postby Spiritater » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:28 am

Chris M wrote:Not many teams go a season without a poor run of results, just unfortunate ours has coincided with the business end of the season. A couple of wins and all will be forgiven. Just wondering where the wins will come from. We are off to Exeter on Saturday in hope rather than expectation. Going to be a long journey home if we play like yesterday.


No sorry, has to be more than that now. Make it 6 wins out of 7 and then you're talking. The time is NOW to produce the goods on a consistent basis, y'know like Lincoln are doing.
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Re: Time for change

Postby PRL13 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:38 am

Edwinstowe Stag, Doh!
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Re: Time for change

Postby tillydog123 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:16 pm

I do feel that sometimes DF does do a lot of posh footy talk and blinds us with theory and science and not sure if there is much substance behind it and it may be that he is starting to get found out.
He went to watch Crewe so knew all about them as he said and Artell had seen us on Sky and knew all about us... so technically it should have been a draw!!

David Holdsworth was another like this who could baffle people with his talk and came over as the new thing in football speak and planning and a little bit like buls....it baffles brains.

We applaud DF for his resolute stance when a lot on here including me, thought that he was not the man for the job but proved us wrong and it was all going so well and we had all started to buy into him so this makes it all the more baffling why its going pear shaped esp at this crucial phase of the season. U just don't see us having the nerve and fight to deal with play offs as we can't beat the bottom clubs at all so what chance away to Tranny or MK if it works out like that.

Could be a real flop this season and not sure how JR is going to feel signing yet more cash over for players with another year to wait in the football basement when he wants that posh top floor suite with views over the Town.
Seems always JR/CR do their bit and more but the team don't do theirs.
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Re: Time for change

Postby laneymtfc » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:22 pm

tillydog123 wrote:I do feel that sometimes DF does do a lot of posh footy talk and blinds us with theory and science and not sure if there is much substance behind it and it may be that he is starting to get found out.
He went to watch Crewe so knew all about them as he said and Artell had seen us on Sky and knew all about us... so technically it should have been a draw!!

David Holdsworth was another like this who could baffle people with his talk and came over as the new thing in football speak and planning and a little bit like buls....it baffles brains.

We applaud DF for his resolute stance when a lot on here including me, thought that he was not the man for the job but proved us wrong and it was all going so well and we had all started to buy into him so this makes it all the more baffling why its going pear shaped esp at this crucial phase of the season. U just don't see us having the nerve and fight to deal with play offs as we can't beat the bottom clubs at all so what chance away to Tranny or MK if it works out like that.

Could be a real flop this season and not sure how JR is going to feel signing yet more cash over for players with another year to wait in the football basement when he wants that posh top floor suite with views over the Town.
Seems always JR does his bit and the team don't reward him much.


This is what worries me, JR is lumping money in and not getting rewarded, how many more windows is he gonna want to do that?
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Re: Time for change

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:35 pm

8th Notts wrote:
EdwinstoweStag wrote:
8th Notts wrote:I just care about my club. Flitcroft is one dimensional. The cowleys can mix it


We’re you off when they did common sense at school?

Where were you during English lessons?



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Re: Time for change

Postby Richard Cranium » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:52 am

We’re sat 3 points outside the top 3 with 7 to play and people want the manager gone again. Unbeliavable. .
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Re: Time for change

Postby Jamie » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:21 am

Richard Cranium wrote:We’re sat 3 points outside the top 3 with 7 to play and people want the manager gone again. Unbeliavable. .


Because our form last 8 games has been relegation form... the same as it was under him last season. Not to mention the slow start we had this year.

I'm not saying I want him gone. But if this carries on again then surely he has to go. He blew it last year and history is repeating itself. If you continue to do what you did, you get what you got...

He's made huge mistakes this year and they are now coming back to bite him.
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Re: Time for change

Postby Richard Cranium » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:22 am

So if we don’t go up sack him and start all over again? When did we turn into Luton
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Re: Time for change

Postby Jamie » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:30 am

Richard Cranium wrote:So if we don’t go up sack him and start all over again? When did we turn into Luton


Doesn't seem to be working too badly for them at the moment. They'll be in the championship next year. We'll more than likely be in league two again feeling sorry for ourselves.

We have to start over anyway as a chunk of this team is on loan and won't be here next season.

We have a very strong budget, and whilst nothing is guaranteed the mistakes made in not replacing key players are telling. We have 1 way to play that works but its been sussed out. Next year teams will know our game before the season starts so it will be even tougher.

I desperately what him to succeed and us to go up with him. But unless he can show he can change things and get a plan B working or make our plan A so good teams cant stop it, then we might as well make a change this summer rather than waste any more time and money on a manager who is so one dimensional.
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Re: Time for change

Postby 8th Notts » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:33 am

Football is a results business. If you invest lots of money (as JR has), you expect a return. He hasn't had it so somebody else needs to take the reins. I would go with Simon Weaver at Harrogate who has done a great job. He has also played league football in the East Mids.
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Re: Time for change

Postby PRL13 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:44 am

Cloughie used to play with one plan. If the players are good enough, it should work.
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Re: Time for change

Postby part time pete » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:38 am

England don’t have a plan B, last night they were 1-0 down but still played tippy tappy football you don’t need plan B if the footballers are good enough
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Re: Time for change

Postby arsene wengers coat » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:41 am

If we don't go up this season, should DF lose his job?

Tough one. We don't know who we'd get in.

We do know that he would be in full control of the squad. It is said that managers can't be truly judged until they have had 4 transfer windows. DF has had 2.

If we fail to get promoted, but do ok in the playoffs, we should keep him on. When we've been good this season, we have looked very good. He's just not been able to grind out the 'workman-like' performances and the results. Lincoln are specialists in grinding out results.

The worry I have is with walker leaving and Bishop being another year older.

This run is disappointing, but the bigger picture shows year on year improvements.
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