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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:55 am

gazza1988 wrote:Anybody else feel we've been missing something in midfield ever since Bish has been 1 yellow away from a 2 game ban? He's got 4 more games to go until it gets wiped and then he's 6 yellows away from a ban.

The problem with CJ is he will hug the line and be in acres of space on the opposite side of the pitch but doesn't make his team mates aware. He needs to be more vocal.

Either he will be picked out by a pass or will pull another player out to him. The reason we seem swamped in midfield is because we have a player on his own out wide. I just wish he would make the team aware that he's an option. It's easy for fans to see it because we have an almost "top down" view of the pitch, in the dugout and on the pitch it is harder to spot just how much space he actually is in.


Or he could do a Liam Lawrence and come infield, get involved and make things happen????
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby part time pete » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:25 am

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gazza1988 wrote:Anybody else feel we've been missing something in midfield ever since Bish has been 1 yellow away from a 2 game ban? He's got 4 more games to go until it gets wiped and then he's 6 yellows away from a ban.

The problem with CJ is he will hug the line and be in acres of space on the opposite side of the pitch but doesn't make his team mates aware. He needs to be more vocal.

Either he will be picked out by a pass or will pull another player out to him. The reason we seem swamped in midfield is because we have a player on his own out wide. I just wish he would make the team aware that he's an option. It's easy for fans to see it because we have an almost "top down" view of the pitch, in the dugout and on the pitch it is harder to spot just how much space he actually is in.


Or he could do a Liam Lawrence and come infield, get involved and make things happen????


Or he could be following his instructions from his manager and we know what happens when you don’t do what the manager tells you to do.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:29 am

part time pete wrote:
Woodclanger 1 wrote:
gazza1988 wrote:Anybody else feel we've been missing something in midfield ever since Bish has been 1 yellow away from a 2 game ban? He's got 4 more games to go until it gets wiped and then he's 6 yellows away from a ban.

The problem with CJ is he will hug the line and be in acres of space on the opposite side of the pitch but doesn't make his team mates aware. He needs to be more vocal.

Either he will be picked out by a pass or will pull another player out to him. The reason we seem swamped in midfield is because we have a player on his own out wide. I just wish he would make the team aware that he's an option. It's easy for fans to see it because we have an almost "top down" view of the pitch, in the dugout and on the pitch it is harder to spot just how much space he actually is in.


Or he could do a Liam Lawrence and come infield, get involved and make things happen????


Or he could be following his instructions from his manager and we know what happens when you don’t do what the manager tells you to do.


Sad state of affairs then Peter :lol:
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:43 am

Through Flitcrofts ambition to continually improve, he has bought in 'better players', at the detriment of the team.

We were looking like a strong team pre January Window, now we look like a bag of bits and pieces.

Midfield somehow looks out of kilter, now Mellis' role has changed. CJ looks disrupted since Ajose has dislodged him as Walker's strike partner.

It's all very worrying.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby scotsstag » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:15 am

arsene wengers coat wrote:Through Flitcrofts ambition to continually improve, he has bought in 'better players', at the detriment of the team.

We were looking like a strong team pre January Window, now we look like a bag of bits and pieces.

Midfield somehow looks out of kilter, now Mellis' role has changed. CJ looks disrupted since Ajose has dislodged him as Walker's strike partner.

It's all very worrying.



Can't disagree with any of that, unfortunately :cry: .
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:37 am

1974-1975 W28 D12 L6 (Champions)
1985-1986 W23 D12 L11 (3rd)
1991-1992 W23 D8 L11 (3rd) (Maidstone and Aldershot went bust)
2001-2002 W24 D7 L15 (3rd)
2018-2019 W15 D13 L5 (currently 3rd)

We could still beat or match the 1974-1975 side for fewest number of defeats in a season although we might not get to 23/24 wins
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:24 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:Through Flitcrofts ambition to continually improve, he has bought in 'better players', at the detriment of the team.

We were looking like a strong team pre January Window, now we look like a bag of bits and pieces.

Midfield somehow looks out of kilter, now Mellis' role has changed. CJ looks disrupted since Ajose has dislodged him as Walker's strike partner.

It's all very worrying.


You see that, I see that but Martin's "fag packet" stats say different.
We'll shall see after the season ends, I think Martin's PPG ratio will change if the current tactics persist.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm

I agree that our midfield has been unbalance by the departure of Elsnik and the arrival of Grant. Don't get me wrong, Grant is a far better player, but he is a luxury off the ball. I've said from the first time I saw Grant that him and Mellis could not play together against the better sides and it seems to be working out that way. The stats may not say so yet, but the eye test does.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Sneag » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:30 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:1974-1975 W28 D12 L6 (Champions)
1985-1986 W23 D12 L11 (3rd)
1991-1992 W23 D8 L11 (3rd) (Maidstone and Aldershot went bust)
2001-2002 W24 D7 L15 (3rd)
2018-2019 W15 D13 L5 (currently 3rd)

We could still beat or match the 1974-1975 side for fewest number of defeats in a season although we might not get to 23/24 wins


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1976-77 W28 D8 L10 (Champions) we had a 5 game winless streak in that season including a 0-4 drubbing at Trannere. Plus a 2-5 humiliation in the cup at home to Matlock.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:35 pm

I was just concentrating on League 2 (Division 4) Sneag.

We do seem to like finishing 3rd when we get promoted from League 2 (Division 4) :lol:
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:26 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:I agree that our midfield has been unbalance by the departure of Elsnik and the arrival of Grant. Don't get me wrong, Grant is a far better player, but he is a luxury off the ball. I've said from the first time I saw Grant that him and Mellis could not play together against the better sides and it seems to be working out that way. The stats may not say so yet, but the eye test does.

We lost the midfield battle against Notts Co (along with every other area of the park). I think we probably would have been better off with Bishop and Tomlinson (rather than Mellis) up against Doyle and O'Brien.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby tillydog123 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:21 pm

Yes Tomlinson should play this Saturday at some stage if Mellis and Grant not working out again.

Mellis as posted recently not always the best when things not going well in the game.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Jamie » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:30 pm

Agree on the midfield issue. I don't know much about Tomlinson, but a fully fit Macca might be a better partner for Bish and give Grant the freedom he needs.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Sweden Stag » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:36 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:1974-1975 W28 D12 L6 (Champions)
1985-1986 W23 D12 L11 (3rd)
1991-1992 W23 D8 L11 (3rd) (Maidstone and Aldershot went bust)
2001-2002 W24 D7 L15 (3rd)
2018-2019 W15 D13 L5 (currently 3rd)

We could still beat or match the 1974-1975 side for fewest number of defeats in a season although we might not get to 23/24 wins


Maidstone went bust and resigned just before the start of the 1992-93 season. Aldershot were thrown out in mid-March 1992 and even without Aldershot leaving the FL we had been promoted as we actually played both games against the old Aldershot club and won both (3-0 at home, 3-1 away)
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Stags 2002 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:51 pm

Jamie wrote:Agree on the midfield issue. I don't know much about Tomlinson, but a fully fit Macca might be a better partner for Bish and give Grant the freedom he needs.


On first glace (based on seeing him at newport) Tomlinson is a younger version of Bishop and I believe brought in to be his long term replacement when he hangs up his boots.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:20 pm

Stags 2002 wrote:
Jamie wrote:Agree on the midfield issue. I don't know much about Tomlinson, but a fully fit Macca might be a better partner for Bish and give Grant the freedom he needs.


On first glace (based on seeing him at newport) Tomlinson is a younger version of Bishop and I believe brought in to be his long term replacement when he hangs up his boots.


Because they're both blond or because they're both northern?
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Stags 2002 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:40 pm

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Jamie wrote:Agree on the midfield issue. I don't know much about Tomlinson, but a fully fit Macca might be a better partner for Bish and give Grant the freedom he needs.


On first glace (based on seeing him at newport) Tomlinson is a younger version of Bishop and I believe brought in to be his long term replacement when he hangs up his boots.


Because they're both blond or because they're both northern?


Both are tough no nonsense tackling midfielders. In addition to being blonde and northern :lol:
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby spanishstag » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:50 pm

Weve had 2 defeats on the bounce ,but both against teams on the rise ,newports home record is brilliant ,nutts was a derby game and they were on a roll ,but prior to that we were doing the stuff ,maybe not brilliantly ,but more than adequately , fgr at home is a test ,but one that we should pass ,cant see what all the negativity is based on ,jorge grant is a breath of fresh air ,and were more than capable of getting a run going
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:01 pm

spanishstag wrote:Weve had 2 defeats on the bounce ,but both against teams on the rise ,newports home record is brilliant ,nutts was a derby game and they were on a roll ,but prior to that we were doing the stuff ,maybe not brilliantly ,but more than adequately , fgr at home is a test ,but one that we should pass ,cant see what all the negativity is based on ,jorge grant is a breath of fresh air ,and were more than capable of getting a run going


Nobody is being negative about Jorge, at least I'm not, he is a fantastic player, the best we've had in years. But you can't argue he needs to be accommodated as he doesn't do the defensive running, and therefore in this system you need to have two workhorses, or one player who does nothing but sit in front of the back four. Whilst Bish is a defensive minded midfielder, he's not a static one, he breaks out of central midfield to press quite often. When the other two midfielders are not runners, that is an issue.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Vice President » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:55 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
spanishstag wrote:Weve had 2 defeats on the bounce ,but both against teams on the rise ,newports home record is brilliant ,nutts was a derby game and they were on a roll ,but prior to that we were doing the stuff ,maybe not brilliantly ,but more than adequately , fgr at home is a test ,but one that we should pass ,cant see what all the negativity is based on ,jorge grant is a breath of fresh air ,and were more than capable of getting a run going


Nobody is being negative about Jorge, at least I'm not, he is a fantastic player, the best we've had in years. But you can't argue he needs to be accommodated as he doesn't do the defensive running, and therefore in this system you need to have two workhorses, or one player who does nothing but sit in front of the back four. Whilst Bish is a defensive minded midfielder, he's not a static one, he breaks out of central midfield to press quite often. When the other two midfielders are not runners, that is an issue.


Maybe then we need to start with Tomlinson instead of Mellis in order to accommodate Grant?
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:07 pm

It's not the time to making rash changes. It would be a massive gamble to replace Jacob Mellis who has made 173 (56) league starts with Willem Tomlinson who has yet to make a league start. Let's stick with the players who got us to 2nd place in the league.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby The One » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 pm

All that was needed was a replacement for White
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:44 pm

Vice President wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
spanishstag wrote:Weve had 2 defeats on the bounce ,but both against teams on the rise ,newports home record is brilliant ,nutts was a derby game and they were on a roll ,but prior to that we were doing the stuff ,maybe not brilliantly ,but more than adequately , fgr at home is a test ,but one that we should pass ,cant see what all the negativity is based on ,jorge grant is a breath of fresh air ,and were more than capable of getting a run going


Nobody is being negative about Jorge, at least I'm not, he is a fantastic player, the best we've had in years. But you can't argue he needs to be accommodated as he doesn't do the defensive running, and therefore in this system you need to have two workhorses, or one player who does nothing but sit in front of the back four. Whilst Bish is a defensive minded midfielder, he's not a static one, he breaks out of central midfield to press quite often. When the other two midfielders are not runners, that is an issue.


Maybe then we need to start with Tomlinson instead of Mellis in order to accommodate Grant?


Or maybe Grant could do some work tracking back a bit??
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby groundhoppingstag » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:59 pm

When Mellis plays well, so do Mansfield.
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Re: Lost only 5 games all season

Postby gazza1988 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:45 am

And to think last season Mellis "couldn't complete 2 games in a row" or whatever Evans spouted.
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