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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:57 am

23/01/21: Scunthorpe United 3 Grimsby Town 0
Possession: 40:60% xG: 1.6 v 1.1

Grimsby had 60% possession but it was a poor performance from them with no creativity in midfield and no threat up front. Paul Hurst was so frustrated that he subbed three midfield players at half time (Danny Preston, Elliott Hewitt and Max Wright.) It was not really a 3-0 game as the xG stats show and the final result did flatter Scunthorpe. The difference between the two sides was Abo Eisa who won and rocketed in a free kick from the edge of the area. He then used his pace to run in behind Matty Pollock to score the third goal. Eisa may well have been offside when he ran through and scored.

The second goal came when Matty Pollock allowed Ryan Loft to get in front of him from a free kick. The ball fell to the floor and Ryan Loft poked it towards goal. It may have hit James McKeown sliding out of his goal in the six yard area and then rebounded off Rollin Menayese before creeping over the line. Ryan Loft had a good game up front alongside Eisa.

Rollin Menayese was no better or no worse than the rest of the Grimsby team yesterday. He looked like the new bloke at work who is not sure what he is supposed to be doing. He certainly had a better game than Matty Pollock who was to blame for the second and third goals The only players who showed some glimmers of match changing talent were Jay Matete (on loan from Fleetwood) and George Williams when he came on as a sub at half time. However it was Matete who went into the back of Abo Eisa on the edge of the area. It was arguably a penalty. Matt Green had a good chance in the first half where he ran on to a great through ball from Danny Preston. The Greeny of old would have been straight through on goal and fired a shot in but he allowed Manny Onariase to recover and make a crucial last ditch tackle.

Rollin won all his headers and on the whoscored stats won 4 aerials which was the second highest for both sides. George Taft won 5. He only had a 60% pass success rate mainly because he was hitting a lot of balls down the line or channels when he was in the right back position near the touchline. He made one mistake in the first half where he missed a tackle on Alfie Beestin in the centre which allowed Beestin to play in Devarn Green on goal but James McKeown saved Green's shot.

Scunthorpe MOM: Abo Eisa and Ryan Loft
Grimsby MOM: Jay Matete and George Williams
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Rob » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:07 am

The xG stats show it wasn't a 3-0 game, however, reality showed it was ;)

Thanks for the reports though, interesting reading.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:35 am

You know what I mean Rob. Sometimes the final result flatters the winning side and does not tell the full story. A side can play well but be 2-0 down due to one mistake and one clinical finish (fine margins). That is when the underlying data comes in useful because it helps to spot trends. The xG table showed that the Stags were and still are under achieving (-7 points) based on creating goal scoring opportunities and our recent results have backed that up. We are now in the xG play offs by the way just behind Walsall and Morecambe :lol:
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby The One » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:You know what I mean Rob. Sometimes the final result flatters the winning side and does not tell the full story. A side can play well but be 2-0 down due to one mistake and one clinical finish (fine margins). That is when the underlying data comes in useful because it helps to spot trends. The xG table showed that the Stags were and still are under achieving (-7 points) based on creating goal scoring opportunities and our recent results have backed that up. We are now in the xG play offs by the way just behind Walsall and Morecambe :lol:


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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Spiritater » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:You know what I mean Rob. Sometimes the final result flatters the winning side and does not tell the full story. A side can play well but be 2-0 down due to one mistake and one clinical finish (fine margins). That is when the underlying data comes in useful because it helps to spot trends. The xG table showed that the Stags were and still are under achieving (-7 points) based on creating goal scoring opportunities and our recent results have backed that up. We are now in the xG play offs by the way just behind Walsall and Morecambe :lol:

What happens if we finish in a XG league playoff position, but only finish 8th in t'proper table. Can we appeal?
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Big yella » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:30 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:23/01/21: Scunthorpe United 3 Grimsby Town 0(Real result 1-1)
Possession: 40:60% xG: 1.6 v 1.1

Grimsby had 60% possession (although this wasn't expected on the pre match XG so it must be fake news) but it was a poor performance from them with no creativity in midfield and no threat up front. Paul Hurst was so frustrated that he subbed three midfield players at half time (Danny Preston, Elliott Hewitt and Max Wright.) It was not really a 3-0 game as the xG stats show (which proves these XG stats are bull, but I'll drone on about them anyway) and the final result did flatter Scunthorpe (so Grimsby should get one of the points, because bull XG says so). The difference between the two sides was Abo Eisa who won and rocketed in a free kick from the edge of the area (XG says this was a poor chance so the score should only be 2-0). He then used his pace to run in behind Matty Pollock to score the third goal. (Eisa was not expected to score this chance either, despite being a good striker who is in form because some FIFA 98 nerd says so, so the score should now read only 1-0) Eisa may well have been offside when he ran through and scored.(So with two of Scunthorpe's goals ruled out and the Codhead's XG added the game really finished 1-1)

The second goal came when Matty Pollock allowed Ryan Loft to get in front of him from a free kick. The ball fell to the floor and Ryan Loft poked it towards goal. It may have hit James McKeown sliding out of his goal in the six yard area and then rebounded off Rollin Menayese before creeping over the line. Ryan Loft had a good game up front alongside Eisa.

Rollin Menayese was no better or no worse than the rest of the Grimsby team yesterday. He looked like the new bloke at work who is not sure what he is supposed to be doing. He certainly had a better game than Matty Pollock who was to blame for the second and third goals The only players who showed some glimmers of match changing talent were Jay Matete (on loan from Fleetwood) and George Williams when he came on as a sub at half time. However it was Matete who went into the back of Abo Eisa on the edge of the area. It was arguably a penalty. Matt Green had a good chance in the first half where he ran on to a great through ball from Danny Preston. The Greeny of old would have been straight through on goal and fired a shot in but he allowed Manny Onariase to recover and make a crucial last ditch tackle.

Rollin won all his headers and on the whoscored stats won 4 aerials which was the second highest for both sides. George Taft won 5. He only had a 60% pass success rate mainly because he was hitting a lot of balls down the line or channels when he was in the right back position near the touchline. He made one mistake in the first half where he missed a tackle on Alfie Beestin in the centre which allowed Beestin to play in Devarn Green on goal but James McKeown saved Green's shot.

Scunthorpe MOM: Abo Eisa and Ryan Loft
Grimsby MOM: Jay Matete and George Williams


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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Big yella » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:07 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:You know what I mean Rob. Sometimes the final result flatters the winning side and does not tell the full story. A side can play well but be 2-0 down due to one mistake and one clinical finish (fine margins). That is when the underlying data comes in useful because it helps to spot trends. The xG table showed that the Stags were and still are under achieving (-7 points) based on creating goal scoring opportunities and our recent results have backed that up. We are now in the xG play offs by the way just behind Walsall and Morecambe :lol:

bull.

We are minus those 7 points because under Coughlan we were crap.
Crap formation.
Crap game plan.
Crap man management.
Crap team spirit.
Crap coaching.
Crap defending.
Crap creativity.
Crap finishing.

We've picked up points recently because under Clough we are good.
Good formation.
Good game plan.
Good man management.
Good team spirit.
Good coaching.
Good defending.
Good creativity.
Good finishing.

Crap manager very few points.
Good manager more points.

It really is that simple.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby The One » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:18 am

Big yella wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:23/01/21: Scunthorpe United 3 Grimsby Town 0(Real result 1-1)
Possession: 40:60% xG: 1.6 v 1.1

Grimsby had 60% possession (although this wasn't expected on the pre match XG so it must be fake news) but it was a poor performance from them with no creativity in midfield and no threat up front. Paul Hurst was so frustrated that he subbed three midfield players at half time (Danny Preston, Elliott Hewitt and Max Wright.) It was not really a 3-0 game as the xG stats show (which proves these XG stats are bull, but I'll drone on about them anyway) and the final result did flatter Scunthorpe (so Grimsby should get one of the points, because bull XG says so). The difference between the two sides was Abo Eisa who won and rocketed in a free kick from the edge of the area (XG says this was a poor chance so the score should only be 2-0). He then used his pace to run in behind Matty Pollock to score the third goal. (Eisa was not expected to score this chance either, despite being a good striker who is in form because some FIFA 98 nerd says so, so the score should now read only 1-0) Eisa may well have been offside when he ran through and scored.(So with two of Scunthorpe's goals ruled out and the Codhead's XG added the game really finished 1-1)

The second goal came when Matty Pollock allowed Ryan Loft to get in front of him from a free kick. The ball fell to the floor and Ryan Loft poked it towards goal. It may have hit James McKeown sliding out of his goal in the six yard area and then rebounded off Rollin Menayese before creeping over the line. Ryan Loft had a good game up front alongside Eisa.

Rollin Menayese was no better or no worse than the rest of the Grimsby team yesterday. He looked like the new bloke at work who is not sure what he is supposed to be doing. He certainly had a better game than Matty Pollock who was to blame for the second and third goals The only players who showed some glimmers of match changing talent were Jay Matete (on loan from Fleetwood) and George Williams when he came on as a sub at half time. However it was Matete who went into the back of Abo Eisa on the edge of the area. It was arguably a penalty. Matt Green had a good chance in the first half where he ran on to a great through ball from Danny Preston. The Greeny of old would have been straight through on goal and fired a shot in but he allowed Manny Onariase to recover and make a crucial last ditch tackle.

Rollin won all his headers and on the whoscored stats won 4 aerials which was the second highest for both sides. George Taft won 5. He only had a 60% pass success rate mainly because he was hitting a lot of balls down the line or channels when he was in the right back position near the touchline. He made one mistake in the first half where he missed a tackle on Alfie Beestin in the centre which allowed Beestin to play in Devarn Green on goal but James McKeown saved Green's shot.

Scunthorpe MOM: Abo Eisa and Ryan Loft
Grimsby MOM: Jay Matete and George Williams


I've edited the heading and first paragraph for you Darren.


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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Rob » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:20 am

Big yella wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:You know what I mean Rob. Sometimes the final result flatters the winning side and does not tell the full story. A side can play well but be 2-0 down due to one mistake and one clinical finish (fine margins). That is when the underlying data comes in useful because it helps to spot trends. The xG table showed that the Stags were and still are under achieving (-7 points) based on creating goal scoring opportunities and our recent results have backed that up. We are now in the xG play offs by the way just behind Walsall and Morecambe :lol:

bull.

We are minus those 7 points because under Coughlan we were crap.
Crap formation.
Crap game plan.
Crap man management.
Crap team spirit.
Crap coaching.
Crap defending.
Crap creativity.
Crap finishing.

We've picked up points recently because under Clough we are good.
Good formation.
Good game plan.
Good man management.
Good team spirit.
Good coaching.
Good defending.
Good creativity.
Good finishing.

Crap manager very few points.
Good manager more points.

It really is that simple.


Get off that fence and say how you really feel :lol:
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:33 am

I didn't know that Craig (Big Yella) and Dave (The One) didn't like xGs, stats and data. :lol:
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:16 am

*Someone on Stagsnet merely breathes*

Big Yella, The One, and many others:
“EXPECTED GOALS IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT IT’S USELESS”
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Dan » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:34 pm

Cleveland_Stag wrote:“EXPECTED GOALS IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT IT’S USELESS”


Completely agree :D
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Martin Shaw » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:06 pm

My first match of the evening, Exeter vs Morecambe on iFollow
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby part time pete » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm

Morecambe already one up.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby chip63 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:13 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:My first match of the evening, Exeter vs Morecambe on iFollow


Hoping for a draw, I know morecambe just scored.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby arsene wengers coat » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:44 pm

What results do we want tonight, other than a Boreham Wood win?
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Dan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:46 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:What results do we want tonight?


All draws for me so that no one gains 3 points on us.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Martin Shaw » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:52 pm

HT Exeter 0-1 Morecambe. Morecambe deservedly ahead through a penalty from Adam Phillips. Phillips (on loan from Burnley) has impressed, as he has every time I've seen him. Exeter look toothless and dodgy at the back too.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Sedgwick » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:11 pm

Dan wrote:
Cleveland_Stag wrote:“EXPECTED GOALS IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT IT’S USELESS”


Completely agree :D


as do I :lol:

don't get the point of saying oh well a team is playing well but 2-0 down... if you're 2-0 down you're not playing well. Results all that matters, what is the point of a fairytale table based on what ifs? Utterly pointless.

X team gets relegated

"well they were expected to go up.." Doesn't matter does it? :lol:
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby MTFCMusings » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:12 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:HT Exeter 0-1 Morecambe. Morecambe deservedly ahead through a penalty from Adam Phillips. Phillips (on loan from Burnley) has impressed, as he has every time I've seen him. Exeter look toothless and dodgy at the back too.


Exeter are the current highest scorers in English football. Trust them to pick the night they’re on my both teams to score coupon to look toothless! :lol:
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby oldweststander » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:24 pm

Dan wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What results do we want tonight?


All draws for me so that no one gains 3 points on us.



Yep, my view too.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby Martin Shaw » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:29 pm

66 mins Exeter 0-2 Morecambe. A fine 2nd goal for Morecambe, with a wonderful diagonal ball from Phillips which is well controlled by Stockton, who beats the keeper in a 1-on-1. Morecambe have had all the quality in this game. Exeter surprisingly poor.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby ST4GS » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:31 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:HT Exeter 0-1 Morecambe. Morecambe deservedly ahead through a penalty from Adam Phillips. Phillips (on loan from Burnley) has impressed, as he has every time I've seen him. Exeter look toothless and dodgy at the back too.


Exeter are the current highest scorers in English football. Trust them to pick the night they’re on my both teams to score coupon to look toothless! :lol:
Exeter now 2 down. Their current form is as bad as Cheltenham's. Room for the also rans Inc us to catch up.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby MTFCMusings » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:35 pm

ST4GS wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:HT Exeter 0-1 Morecambe. Morecambe deservedly ahead through a penalty from Adam Phillips. Phillips (on loan from Burnley) has impressed, as he has every time I've seen him. Exeter look toothless and dodgy at the back too.


Exeter are the current highest scorers in English football. Trust them to pick the night they’re on my both teams to score coupon to look toothless! :lol:
Exeter now 2 down. Their current form is as bad as Cheltenham's. Room for the also rans Inc us to catch up.


It’s not that bad, they’d won three of their last 6 before today.
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Re: Tonights Games

Postby chip63 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:42 pm

Got visions of Martin commentating into a hairbrush.
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