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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Spiritater » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:43 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:Bowery looks like he cba at all, or is it me..

No, it's not you. He was pathetic.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Rob » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:47 pm

Another underlining of what the squad and manager lack. Akins was embarassing, yes he was out of position thanks to the manager (we did have an actual right back on the pitch) but that's no excuse for the way he gave the ball away so often. Listening to Clough on the way home shows he knows what the problem is, but he appears unwilling to do the obvious. If he doesn't correct his imbalanced squad it will likely end with him leaving in the summer. More money tossed away tonight, I bet JR is fuming, as were most of the fans leaving Goodison tonight.

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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Spiritater » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm

gazza1988 wrote:Akins passes straight to an Everton player. He brings it forwards. Chips the ball over. Akins played their lad onside (it was tight still) and finishes.

Weird that bowery and Akins at wing back and we pretty much immediately concede 2.

Akins was garbage from the minute he came on and got worse.
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Postby The One » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:49 pm

Spiritater wrote:
gazza1988 wrote:Akins passes straight to an Everton player. He brings it forwards. Chips the ball over. Akins played their lad onside (it was tight still) and finishes.

Weird that bowery and Akins at wing back and we pretty much immediately concede 2.

Akins was garbage from the minute he came on and got worse.


Played his usual game then
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby scotsstag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:14 am

The One wrote:
Spiritater wrote:
gazza1988 wrote:Akins passes straight to an Everton player. He brings it forwards. Chips the ball over. Akins played their lad onside (it was tight still) and finishes.

Weird that bowery and Akins at wing back and we pretty much immediately concede 2.

Akins was garbage from the minute he came on and got worse.


Played his usual game then

Clough's love in with Akins is beyond embarrassing.
The amount of game time he gets is astounding if judging on his performances for MTFC, and these are the only ones that should matter.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby AshoverStag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:16 am

We did not listen to NC after match, driving home, First time. Why bother, it’s de ja vue

O’toole and Perch are done imo

Akins now costing us goals one end on a regular basis, and can be relied onto not score in opposition net

Only positive was Oates looking like he’s regaining fitness nicely and made some nice play. But……..he’s played on the wing

Instead Bowery played as Forward. Imo it’s not his fault. He’s low on confidence and poor guy dnt know where he’s playing at any given game. Could be anywhere including CH

How can you expect a forward to get consistent and momentum not playing him in his main position all season, but then throw him in there tonight

Wallace playing well is a positive, and Maris can be relied on

He needs to recall the natural talented CH Cooper asap and he should be playing in games like this tonight and brought on late in game in league ( if we comfortable)

We need players desperately in January

CH and others

Also bigger squad to fight for their places

We all know the old, tired and out of form players needing sub bench placement only

I say this as tied to extended contracts so we can’t move them on. So use if no other option as sub

We are desperately missing injured players like Clarke and Harbottle

Just proves the “Squad too small posters” right.

Even if we have a good run in league until January, we need to invest in pace and experience and specialised players in one role.

Hewitt is having a good season but we all know he’s best at RB

Get a permanent LB to share task with Macca
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Dan » Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:34 am

Back home now and I’m still fuming. I tell you what if we lose to Colchester on Saturday (& you just know Longstaff will have a stormer) I can see the natives getting restless with Cloughy and he will have brought it all on himself.

PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER POSITIONS AND SIGN A BLOODY DEFENDER FGS!!!
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Dan » Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:37 am

Johnny H wrote:Is James Gale injured ??


He was changed and out warming up with Quinn so not sure what happened there. I was talking to a scout who was there to watch him as they want to sign him on loan.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby yorkshire stag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:32 am

just started to watch Clough post match interview, turned it off after 10 seconds, same old Nigel, same old

sort it out
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Brough » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:35 am

Dan wrote:Back home now and I’m still fuming. I tell you what if we lose to Colchester on Saturday (& you just know Longstaff will have a stormer) I can see the natives getting restless with Cloughy and he will have brought it all on himself.

PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER POSITIONS AND SIGN A BLOODY DEFENDER FGS!!!

Think the game against the fatman next week could be his last. Going backwards big time
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby St Hilary Stag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:34 am

sadly i agree with all the comments regarding our management decisions & i think things will not change ... time to dispatch & bring in a more vibrant team , with different ideas on managing the Stags ...
where are the comments from our CEO ?
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Curry 9 Brace 7 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:49 am

Colchester havent won away all season so saturday is a must win game isnt it ?
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Spiritater » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:52 am

We were sort of ok first half but 2nd half with the changes we absolutely stunk the place out.

We basically camped out in our own half 2nd half.
It was like watching someone dying. They try to cling to life but you know they can't do anything about the inevitable.
I sat and watched the game unfold just knowing what would happen the longer the game dragged on. No movement, no semblance of control, no belief, no energy and mine and the other unfortunates to be there frustration grew and grew.

4 minutes went up and I think they levelled 90 seconds into that . I at a push can hold my breath longer than the 150 seconds that remained for us to unworthily take it to pens... but no, we somehow manage to conjure up even more pee poor passing leading to even more pee poor marking and hey presto :cry:

Other than ticking off Goodison before it's bulldozed it's confirmed to me that Nigel (if he's still here) and his band of old men, Burton luvvies, and square pegs in round holes will begin next season in League2 again.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Spiritater » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:01 am

Curry 9 Brace 7 wrote:Colchester havent won away all season so saturday is a must win game isnt it ?

Lucas will start up front so we'll have trouble scoring. So Nigel will be happy with a point.
"Colchester are good side and we have been unlucky with injuries... yadayadayada.......
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby zod » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:27 am

Eastern Green Stag wrote:where are the comments from our CEO ?


Isn’t he still on holiday?
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Richard Cranium » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:39 am

What do you want him to say? Thankfully Sharpe and Co aren't all morons and realise that a season is 46 games long and after 19 we sit 1 point outside the play offs. 9 changes in a cup competition that no ones gave a toss about for the last 4 seasons. The only positive is Oates and Macca both back on the pitch.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby stag324 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:51 am

What really annoys me is if ANY other player played like Akins he would be singled out for major criticism in his post match press conference

However this is Akins, there is a mention of a poor pass but not the player and we all know he will start Saturday and probably be named as captain to boost his confidence
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Spiritater » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:11 am

From the minute Akins entered the fray his control and passing were very iffy. The 2nd goal was instigated from his poor pass when a row Z was the option for the best seeing how poorly the team had played 2nd half. To compound his lack of defensive nous he's the player playing the Toffee on to waltz in the winner. TBH he'd have not been in with a shout of making our BSP team. He will have a good game once in a while, but you win cluck all with once in a while.

Bowery, never seen a player so poor at shooting. Always when there's a chance he'll pass it. If he does try and have a pop it's weak, scuffed, skied . He does my nut in.
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Postby Gruff » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:18 am

I am normally a happy clapper and will try to see the positives in most of the performances, but yesterday was beyond comprehension. All the little things that seem to be affecting the team and subsequent results all came together and were accentuated in a single match.

Macca isn't fully fit and seemed to get an additional knock which may limit his availablity\performances over the next few weeks.
Perch has never recovered from his serious head injury. He seems to have blind spots or a lack of peripheral vision and can't play centreback anymore. At best he could be put in as a right back for cover, but he can't seem to read the game or anticipate the runs behind.
JJ seems to be half the player he was last season. He hasn't got a reliable partner at the back, so this may be affecting his performances as he is trying to cover two positions.
Kellan Gordon looks like he is carrying a knock still. He certainly didn't show the willingness to try and take on a player last night, and struggled to get back... more pressure on JJ?
Hartigan & Law as two players who can apparently pick out a pass showed nothing. I don't get the obsession with playing the ball directly to feet, when a pass 5-10 yards in front of the player gives momentum and forward trajectory. This is how we concede goals with balls played for people to run on to... I thought that was what Hartigan was bought for..?
Wallace probably man of the match, but no idea what position he was playing in last night.. just seemed like a headless chicken, especially after Maris went off
Maris is absolutely essential to this team, and it falls apart when he's not on the pitch. Give him the captain's armband when Macca\Clarke are not on the pitch.
Bowery just seems disinterested at the moment. His body language on the pitch is not right and it shows in his play. I'd like to think a goal would pick him up but can't see how he's going to get one.
Oates isn't match fit yet and is a few weeks away from being anywhere near ready.
Boateng looked unfit, Lapslie was playing too deep and not providing an outlet, Swann didn't touch the ball and as for Akins... I think his first 3 touches were a pass to nobody, mis-controlling it and losing possession... and then it got worse.
I know some people knocked the signing of Hewitt after spells at his previous clubs, but I'd be trying to build a new defence around him... but he can't cover all the positions.. although he blocked another shot by sliding across the area... which is a worrying sign when he has to do it every game.
We should have built on last years' squad and the additions of Swann, Boateng, Akins & Hartigan all looked good on paper, and with players returning from injury we should have been flying.
I think we have to spend some money just to achieve a playoff spot at the moment, and can easily see us finishing bottom half of the table unless something drastic is done.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby oldweststander » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:21 am

When Maris left the pitch so did the teams heartbeat, he was the only adventurous midfielder who was eager and could pass a football. Wallace did well within his limitations.

Hartigan has not been up to the mark since his injury and currently should not start, Bowery was poor but who can really blame him, he could be centre back or goalkeeper on Saturday.

At the end of the day, we couldn't put our chances away in the first half, offered little and couldn't defend second half.

Nigel, I've had enough of your lame excuses, you signed or resigned those players, fooled the supporters into believing they were quality players when they certainly are not. We are not top seven material at the moment and won't be come May unless you ship a few old codgers out and bring in , at least, one mobile centre back and a striker.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby diablo » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:30 am

Richard Cranium wrote:What do you want him to say? Thankfully Sharpe and Co aren't all morons and realise that a season is 46 games long and after 19 we sit 1 point outside the play offs. 9 changes in a cup competition that no ones gave a toss about for the last 4 seasons. The only positive is Oates and Macca both back on the pitch.



I thought Macca went off injured...probably out again for a while.
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Postby adamstag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:08 am

stag324 wrote:What really annoys me is if ANY other player played like Akins he would be singled out for major criticism in his post match press conference

However this is Akins, there is a mention of a poor pass but not the player and we all know he will start Saturday and probably be named as captain to boost his confidence


You’re right in what you say but i think on the flip side fans realise in reality he should be absolutely nowhere near the starting 11, let alone in defence.

I dont think fans are personally singling him out, it’s more frustration that it’s happening, bless him he tries but he’s got the touch of a trampoline.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:52 am

What is very concerning is that yet again we conceded two soft goals through the centre of our defence with our two most experienced defenders switching off in injury time after playing reasonably well until that point. John Joe O'Toole and James Perch were at fault for the 1st goal; and Lucas Akins, James Perch and Elliott Hewitt were at fault for the 2nd goal.

However defensive mistakes are more likely to happen if you are just sitting back and inviting the opposition to come on to you. Towards the end we were just booting the ball down the pitch aimlessly with nobody up top as an out ball; and no attempt to keep possession of the ball. Nigel Clough was shouting "keep possession" throughout the 2nd half.

I can accept sitting back if you are setting a trap for a quick counter attack but there were no signs in the 2nd half that we were able to do this.

We played well in the 1st half but our finishing was very poor. We did not test the keeper from very good positions. We also defended reasonably well apart from Kellan Gordon switching off once. The young Evertonians were reduced to shooting from long range. We started to let them back into the game towards the end of the 1st half and as Nigel Clough pointed out the 2nd half substitutes (George Lapslie, Lucas Akins and Hiram Boateng) did not play well. Elliott Hewitt did ok. He got forward a few times and made a good defensive block but his control and passing let him down at times.
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Re: Everton U21 score thread sponsored by Who is going?

Postby St Hilary Stag » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:58 am

overall a very poor display from mansfield
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Postby tillydog123 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:00 am

Stags all over
2 steps forward good against Weds the lose same way last few mins
Laughable but sad
Sometimes I think we should just accept being decent league 2 side
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