arsene wengers coat wrote:Good old Adam Murray, as we know played a very negative game, but assembled a squad on a limited budget, several of his players are still in the team today. Murray's football however was very risk averse, negative and we drew a lot of games.
"The Messiah" aka the Lying Scottsman came in, branded Murray's signings as rubbish, promised us promotion, spent a fortune, but persisted with Murray's signings who all had good seasons under Evans last year. Names like Rose, Pearce, CJ, and Bennett. However, we drew too often and continued to struggle to score.
After Evans left, we capitulated. Flitcroft had to guide us over the line using a formation and method he wasn't happy with. This showed.
But now, even with flitcrofts pre season training and all the investment into playing staff, flitcroft has the same approach to the game as Murray but with arguably better players in the squad at his disposal. However, Murray's signings are still our better players.
So if flitcroft plays the same football as Murray, with several of Murray's players, are we surprised that the season is panning out the same as it did for Murray? The methods are different but the outputs are the same.
m1cksut wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Good old Adam Murray, as we know played a very negative game, but assembled a squad on a limited budget, several of his players are still in the team today. Murray's football however was very risk averse, negative and we drew a lot of games.
"The Messiah" aka the Lying Scottsman came in, branded Murray's signings as rubbish, promised us promotion, spent a fortune, but persisted with Murray's signings who all had good seasons under Evans last year. Names like Rose, Pearce, CJ, and Bennett. However, we drew too often and continued to struggle to score.
After Evans left, we capitulated. Flitcroft had to guide us over the line using a formation and method he wasn't happy with. This showed.
But now, even with flitcrofts pre season training and all the investment into playing staff, flitcroft has the same approach to the game as Murray but with arguably better players in the squad at his disposal. However, Murray's signings are still our better players.
So if flitcroft plays the same football as Murray, with several of Murray's players, are we surprised that the season is panning out the same as it did for Murray? The methods are different but the outputs are the same.
sort of mutually exclusive, but i think i see what you are trying to say.
6/10 can do better.
EdwinstoweStag wrote:m1cksut wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Good old Adam Murray, as we know played a very negative game, but assembled a squad on a limited budget, several of his players are still in the team today. Murray's football however was very risk averse, negative and we drew a lot of games.
"The Messiah" aka the Lying Scottsman came in, branded Murray's signings as rubbish, promised us promotion, spent a fortune, but persisted with Murray's signings who all had good seasons under Evans last year. Names like Rose, Pearce, CJ, and Bennett. However, we drew too often and continued to struggle to score.
After Evans left, we capitulated. Flitcroft had to guide us over the line using a formation and method he wasn't happy with. This showed.
But now, even with flitcrofts pre season training and all the investment into playing staff, flitcroft has the same approach to the game as Murray but with arguably better players in the squad at his disposal. However, Murray's signings are still our better players.
So if flitcroft plays the same football as Murray, with several of Murray's players, are we surprised that the season is panning out the same as it did for Murray? The methods are different but the outputs are the same.
sort of mutually exclusive, but i think i see what you are trying to say.
6/10 can do better.
It’ll come. have a little faith!
DoomMerchant wrote:This team will go up. I see it in the waters. And trust me, I pass plenty of water.
Stags fans need to wipe their eyes and learn to be patient. It'll click.
Sneag wrote:DoomMerchant wrote:This team will go up. I see it in the waters. And trust me, I pass plenty of water.
Stags fans need to wipe their eyes and learn to be patient. It'll click.
It has the potential, but summat seems to be holding it back.
arsene wengers coat wrote:"The Messiah" aka the Lying Scottsman came in, branded Murray's signings as rubbish, promised us promotion, spent a fortune, but persisted with Murray's signings who all had good seasons under Evans last year. Names like Rose, Pearce, CJ, and Bennett. However, we drew too often and continued to struggle to score.
The home defeat to Bristol Rovers when we dominated was a watershed. After that game Murray went ultra negative which was a huge pity.Stag95 wrote:Murray could clearly pick a player but he was the most negative manager I can ever remember at the club.
arsene wengers coat wrote:We drew 18 last season. Only Morecambe drew more and the finished just above the trap door.
The draws were our undoing. The last 3 managers have all suffered from the same problems regardless of budget formation or football philosophy.
I dare say under Murray we were more clinical Infront of goal, given that we rarely ventured into the opposition's half. At the moment we seem to be able to create chances but can't finish or hold on to a lead.
MTFCMusings wrote:Every game I have been to this season, we have created enough chances to win the game, so the philosophy is not the problem, the finishing is. Whoever the manager was, they cannot be blamed for poor finishing.
MTFCMusings wrote:Every game I have been to this season, we have created enough chances to win the game, so the philosophy is not the problem, the finishing is. Whoever the manager was, they cannot be blamed for poor finishing.
ST4GS wrote:The home defeat to Bristol Rovers when we dominated was a watershed. After that game Murray went ultra negative which was a huge pity.Stag95 wrote:Murray could clearly pick a player but he was the most negative manager I can ever remember at the club.
Sneag wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:Every game I have been to this season, we have created enough chances to win the game, so the philosophy is not the problem, the finishing is. Whoever the manager was, they cannot be blamed for poor finishing.
Perhaps if we attacked for 90minutes instead of 60minutes we might score that all important 2nd goal.
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:Sneag wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:Every game I have been to this season, we have created enough chances to win the game, so the philosophy is not the problem, the finishing is. Whoever the manager was, they cannot be blamed for poor finishing.
Perhaps if we attacked for 90minutes instead of 60minutes we might score that all important 2nd goal.
True Sneagy, although if we'd put away our chances earlier in those 60 mins we'd be 2 or 3-0 up by then and out of sight. Given how many chances the team creates, that should be feasible, at least in some games? That would negate some of the last 20 mins negativity.
Law of averages would perhaps suggest we'd have a couple more victories if we'd been more clinical, and I doubt we'd have half the reverb on here. Even so, I do agree we need a killer instinct to get a late winner, but I recall it also being true this time last year...
arsene wengers coat wrote:On the pitch I don't think we've come that far since Murray left, pretty sideways passes and Scottsman's bluster aside. Points win prizes...
In other words whoever is manager it's impossible to please all of the fans all of the time.Spiritater wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:On the pitch I don't think we've come that far since Murray left, pretty sideways passes and Scottsman's bluster aside. Points win prizes...
Just amazes me how folks attitudes change no matter what style we play.
Before, when under Cox and we were winning and playing direct folk'd say, 'I'd sooner watch us get beat playing attractive footy than watch this'.
Now they're watching us play attractive footy (for part of a game) and getting little out of it they still moan.
Winning football games is all that matters, no matter how it's done.
Seems the Cowleys at Lincoln have it right. Fast pacey direct stuff. Is it particulary pleasing on the eye? No
Do the supporters go home happy most games? Yes
Yes we'd like to be slicker than Man City, but it's Lge 2 and to get out you've just got to win games no matter what style.
Spiritater wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:On the pitch I don't think we've come that far since Murray left, pretty sideways passes and Scottsman's bluster aside. Points win prizes...
Just amazes me how folks attitudes change no matter what style we play.
Before, when under Cox and we were winning and playing direct folk'd say, 'I'd sooner watch us get beat playing attractive footy than watch this'.
Now they're watching us play attractive footy (for part of a game) and getting little out of it they still moan.
Winning football games is all that matters, no matter how it's done.
Seems the Cowleys at Lincoln have it right. Fast pacey direct stuff. Is it particulary pleasing on the eye? No
Do the supporters go home happy most games? Yes
Yes we'd like to be slicker than Man City, but it's Lge 2 and to get out you've just got to win games no matter what style.
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