Lucas Akins Chant

[Sue]

Both are totally unacceptable

[georgefostersbeard]

He's needs another chant creating which drowns it out

Ignoring the root cause, while distracting with something else is never the solution.

It needs the club to take a firm stance and put out a statement to those fans singing it, that they'll be banned if they continue. Either we're a club that takes an anti-racist stance or we aren't.

So you’re happy to ban our fans for singing this song and yet you didn’t have a problem with the Ntts Vounty players obscene gesturing ?

Do you not have a problem with the song?

[Pitkin]

I've never heard any clubs fans sing anything like it in all my time as a supporter. Its the most gross, offensive, shameful filth I've ever heard, and it shames our town.

Seriously its got to be stopped for at least 3 reasons. Race, its depiction of a woman being murdered, and the damage its doing to kids...but you know what......NOTHING will be done about it....zilch.
I bet Lucas would love a song created for him, look at the DKD tune, its brilliant, but this........heaven help us.

[london amber stag]

That song is offensive and Lucas must cringe when he hears it. We are having a wonderful season and the powers that be need to make a statement about it. Most decent folk baulk at those lyrics.

[ParisStag]

He's needs another chant creating which drowns it out

Ignoring the root cause, while distracting with something else is never the solution.

It needs the club to take a firm stance and put out a statement to those fans singing it, that they'll be banned if they continue. Either we're a club that takes an anti-racist stance or we aren't.

So you’re happy to ban our fans for singing this song and yet you didn’t have a problem with the Ntts Vounty players obscene gesturing ?

I'm happy for them to be banned if they continue to be racist after fair warning to stop, not that I expect the club to do anything, unfortunately. Some clubs take a zero tolerance approach and would ban them before even warning them formally. I'm not advocating that, as they're kids and need an example setting. It's down to the club to do that, as clearly this is a case of dereliction of duty on the part of the parents.

Re. Jodi Jones, I haven't said I'm ok with it, have I?

[Captain Cunno]

Even though he shouldn't have too I think Lucas himself coning out and saying that he appreciates the support but not the racist tones in the song.
A bit like Lukaku did at United...

Anyone who continues to sing it then can be reprimanded accordingly...

[jpstags]

He's needs another chant creating which drowns it out

Ignoring the root cause, while distracting with something else is never the solution.

It needs the club to take a firm stance and put out a statement to those fans singing it, that they'll be banned if they continue. Either we're a club that takes an anti-racist stance or we aren't.

So you’re happy to ban our fans for singing this song and yet you didn’t have a problem with the Ntts Vounty players obscene gesturing ?

I'm happy for them to be banned if they continue to be racist after fair warning to stop, not that I expect the club to do anything, unfortunately. Some clubs take a zero tolerance approach and would ban them before even warning them formally. I'm not advocating that, as they're kids and need an example setting. It's down to the club to do that, as clearly this is a case of dereliction of duty on the part of the parents.

Re. Jodi Jones, I haven't said I'm ok with it, have I?

Yes, you said ‘he abused the fans the fans abused him, happens all the time move on’. Double standards ?

[STAGS FOR LIFE]

it was a HUGH moment in my life when i won the Knobbly Knees Competition Judges where right impressed

[georgefostersbeard]

So four other than some attempted whataboutery they doesn't seem to be anyone able to reasonably give a, reason why the song should be sung.
Martin's link to the Athletic article seems to have been missed some though
https://www.stagsnet.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42474#p1030808

[Dan]

The drummer needs telling NOT to start off the song in the first place as that’s when all the other morons follow suit. I’m amazed none have been arrested yet when you can see the police are filming them. It’s at least a section 5 public order offence bordering on aggravated racism.

[ParisStag]

He's needs another chant creating which drowns it out

Ignoring the root cause, while distracting with something else is never the solution.

It needs the club to take a firm stance and put out a statement to those fans singing it, that they'll be banned if they continue. Either we're a club that takes an anti-racist stance or we aren't.

So you’re happy to ban our fans for singing this song and yet you didn’t have a problem with the Ntts Vounty players obscene gesturing ?

I'm happy for them to be banned if they continue to be racist after fair warning to stop, not that I expect the club to do anything, unfortunately. Some clubs take a zero tolerance approach and would ban them before even warning them formally. I'm not advocating that, as they're kids and need an example setting. It's down to the club to do that, as clearly this is a case of dereliction of duty on the part of the parents.

Re. Jodi Jones, I haven't said I'm ok with it, have I?

Yes, you said ‘he abused the fans the fans abused him, happens all the time move on’. Double standards ?

That's not me saying either is OK though is it. It's me saying there was abuse both ways. The context of that one sentence you've taken was that you can't complain if you're also abusing, not that it's OK.

You've had the opportunity to go back and reread it before quoting me in a post and yet still managed to not grasp a pretty simple concept.

[gazza1988]

He's needs another chant creating which drowns it out

Ignoring the root cause, while distracting with something else is never the solution.

It needs the club to take a firm stance and put out a statement to those fans singing it, that they'll be banned if they continue. Either we're a club that takes an anti-racist stance or we aren't.

So you’re happy to ban our fans for singing this song and yet you didn’t have a problem with the Ntts Vounty players obscene gesturing ?

I'm happy for them to be banned if they continue to be racist after fair warning to stop, not that I expect the club to do anything, unfortunately. Some clubs take a zero tolerance approach and would ban them before even warning them formally. I'm not advocating that, as they're kids and need an example setting. It's down to the club to do that, as clearly this is a case of dereliction of duty on the part of the parents.

Re. Jodi Jones, I haven't said I'm ok with it, have I?

Yes, you said ‘he abused the fans the fans abused him, happens all the time move on’. Double standards ?

It's not double standards. For it to be double standards Lucas Akins would have to be racially abusing the fans as well, surely? Has he? Doesn't seem in his nature to me.

It is a bit juvenile though with the "well they started it" so I did it too" mentality. Like it's ok if others do it.

ParisStag, I think what jpstags is trying to say is IF (big if) Akins had racially abused the crowd would you have said "he racially abused the fans the fans racially abused him, happens all the time move on"? I know you wouldn't, but it can come across as certain forms of abuse are ok, so long as I'm not affected by it. Which I appreciate is a view many people of all colours and creed have been guilty of in the past.

[Pitkin]

Let's be honest here, as a nation racist/hate abuse in many forms has increased dramatically in the last 8 years or so, regardless of what people think about the B word, and in particular the rhetoric of the Govt in power and indeed the venom directed towards foreign, trans people by one local MP, one who claims to be a Stags fan, judging his wearing of a Mansfield scarf at Notts County.
BUT.... and before this post is moved off here, and its important this subject is kept on here......we can only deal with racist, misogynistic behaviour where we find it.....so, here it is, on our 'front porch', a kid banging a drum, and starting off a vile song about Race, a crime against women, and gleefully and in complete ignorance, joined in by young kids, many with their parents with them......
It's got to stop....the drummer has to be told, signs put up, police informed, anything to stop it, because we aren't at the thin end of a wedge here, we are encouraging young people to add to the thickness of it...and it gets thicker and thicker every day.
Listening to Alan Wilson droning on about racism in his prepared speech before the game about racist behaviour is frankly embarrassing.

[BigGuy]

Boring political point scoring, I came on this forum to read about football related matters.

The ‘B’ word you are looking for is Bore off!

[georgefostersbeard]

Then you are part of the problem not the solution for our club

For clarification, we have a racist song being sung about one of our own players. Anyone defending that, inserting whataboutery into the debate or telling those objecting to bore off is either in denial, pig raspberries thick or a racist.
People can make their choice of which of the three it is.

[BigGuy]

Then you are part of the problem not the solution for our club

I’m the problem because I don’t want to read politics on a football forum, I can get bored looking at the politics section on here.

That’s a new one that, good effort.

[georgefostersbeard]

Read my clarification above and choose which one you are then

[BigGuy]

Here you go again, labelling people on a point I made no reference to.

For clarification the chant is disgusting and needs to be stopped and those thinking it acceptable slapped and re-educated.

What I don’t want to read however on a football forum is politics, which clearly the above references.

Clear enough for you ?

[georgefostersbeard]

Clear but defending one of our own from racist chanting is football related not politics.

Clear enough for you?

[Pitkin]

Here you go again, labelling people on a point I made no reference to.

For clarification the chant is disgusting and needs to be stopped and those thinking it acceptable slapped and re-educated.

What I don’t want to read however on a football forum is politics, which clearly the above references.

Clear enough for you ?

I'm not trying to political points score, this behaviour has always happened from the days of Love thy Neighbour and before, however if these issues aren't addressed by the people in power on a local and national level, and by local I mean our football club and MPs then we're stuffed....I merely made the point that this racist trend has increased dramatically in the last 5-8 years,and we have to stamp it out wherever we see it.
I hope that's clear enough for you, I'm really not looking or going to fall out with you about it, and I'm glad you share the same opinion about the songs context.
It needs being front and centre, not just a casual announcement before a game, which few listen to, especially the ones who should be listening.

[HitchcocksShins]

Can someone help clarify what the B word actually is?

[Richard Cranium]

Can someone help clarify what the B word actually is?

Beermen

[zod]

Can someone come up with an inoffensive translation of the chant?
I don't even know which song it is.

[part time pete]

Can someone come up with an inoffensive translation of the chant?
I don't even know which song it is.

Same here, no idea which song people are talking about.

[SeanieStag]

Can someone come up with an inoffensive translation of the chant?
I don't even know which song it is.

Same here, no idea which song people are talking about.

Me three. I've been reading this thread and I'm still none the wiser.