MTFCMusings wrote:Conker wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:At the end of 2019 we were the biggest wage payers in L2. I think we’d be around 4th/5th now, but because high spenders have increased rather than any reduction of our budget.
I highly doubt we spend the same now.
Admittedly that will have been bloated by Walker and Grant, but them aside.
Conker wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:Conker wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:At the end of 2019 we were the biggest wage payers in L2. I think we’d be around 4th/5th now, but because high spenders have increased rather than any reduction of our budget.
I highly doubt we spend the same now.
Admittedly that will have been bloated by Walker and Grant, but them aside.
Smaller squad too, I would guess we are spending a fair bit less but still high up in L2
Rob wrote:By budget do you mean wages spent Darren? As I've said on another thread, I'd say our budget is quite a bit higher than what we currently spend.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I'm estimating/guessing playing budgets for this season based on a) previous knowledge; and b) after looking at the 2021 accounts for all 24 clubs in League 2 plus relegated clubs from League 1 and clubs promoted from the National League. The info in the 2021 accounts was quite surprising in some cases. Orient, Northampton and Gillingham wages were much higher than I expected and Bradford City and Tranmere Rovers lower. The Northampton and Gillingham figures are also for seasons in League 1. Gillingham may have cut their budget but I don't think Northampton will have done as they have an ambitious owner who previously spent a load of money at Oxford. The wages info was missing for some clubs but you can work out the losses from the balance sheet. Salford City and Stockport County made massive losses in recent seasons and so you can conclude they are big spenders.
The information in the accounts for 2021 is for Total Salaries/Wages of all staff including national insurance contributions and pensions. It is the amount actually spent by clubs.
The money may be there for the right player Rob, but unlike the two previous managers you mention NC will not pay over the odds for Mr Average. I welcome that.Rob wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I'm estimating/guessing playing budgets for this season based on a) previous knowledge; and b) after looking at the 2021 accounts for all 24 clubs in League 2 plus relegated clubs from League 1 and clubs promoted from the National League. The info in the 2021 accounts was quite surprising in some cases. Orient, Northampton and Gillingham wages were much higher than I expected and Bradford City and Tranmere Rovers lower. The Northampton and Gillingham figures are also for seasons in League 1. Gillingham may have cut their budget but I don't think Northampton will have done as they have an ambitious owner who previously spent a load of money at Oxford. The wages info was missing for some clubs but you can work out the losses from the balance sheet. Salford City and Stockport County made massive losses in recent seasons and so you can conclude they are big spenders.
The information in the accounts for 2021 is for Total Salaries/Wages of all staff including national insurance contributions and pensions. It is the amount actually spent by clubs.
I'd say 6th could be reasonably accurate from your list but at no stage has Clough asked for a player and been refused by JR, to the best of my knowledge. Therefore, I believe there is more money in the budget to repair the gaping holes in our squad. I'll repeat that there is no way has JR pumped millions into our club just to sit in League 2, ask the managers he sacked, including one for finishing 4th! I think Clough may be given more time than any of his previous managers to succeed, but it is frankly absurd to suggest we don't have one of the strongest wage budgets in this league, a ruse oft used by those defending the failings in the make-up of our current squad. That said, there are of course advantages to being frugal and I would not wish a return to the Evans/Flitcroft days where we had tens of thousands of pounds a week worth of wages sat in the stands - but when you have the gaping holes in the squad you need more investment and that will come, should Clough finally decide to sign players in the areas where most of us know we are struggling. Freeman, for example, if he comes here will be on a very big wage for League 2.
Amber Andy wrote:The money may be there for the right player Rob, for example Naylor, but unlike the two previous managers you mention NC will not pay over the odds for Mr Average. I welcome that.Rob wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I'm estimating/guessing playing budgets for this season based on a) previous knowledge; and b) after looking at the 2021 accounts for all 24 clubs in League 2 plus relegated clubs from League 1 and clubs promoted from the National League. The info in the 2021 accounts was quite surprising in some cases. Orient, Northampton and Gillingham wages were much higher than I expected and Bradford City and Tranmere Rovers lower. The Northampton and Gillingham figures are also for seasons in League 1. Gillingham may have cut their budget but I don't think Northampton will have done as they have an ambitious owner who previously spent a load of money at Oxford. The wages info was missing for some clubs but you can work out the losses from the balance sheet. Salford City and Stockport County made massive losses in recent seasons and so you can conclude they are big spenders.
The information in the accounts for 2021 is for Total Salaries/Wages of all staff including national insurance contributions and pensions. It is the amount actually spent by clubs.
I'd say 6th could be reasonably accurate from your list but at no stage has Clough asked for a player and been refused by JR, to the best of my knowledge. Therefore, I believe there is more money in the budget to repair the gaping holes in our squad. I'll repeat that there is no way has JR pumped millions into our club just to sit in League 2, ask the managers he sacked, including one for finishing 4th! I think Clough may be given more time than any of his previous managers to succeed, but it is frankly absurd to suggest we don't have one of the strongest wage budgets in this league, a ruse oft used by those defending the failings in the make-up of our current squad. That said, there are of course advantages to being frugal and I would not wish a return to the Evans/Flitcroft days where we had tens of thousands of pounds a week worth of wages sat in the stands - but when you have the gaping holes in the squad you need more investment and that will come, should Clough finally decide to sign players in the areas where most of us know we are struggling. Freeman, for example, if he comes here will be on a very big wage for League 2.
Amber Andy wrote:The money may be there for the right player Rob, but unlike the two previous managers you mention NC will not pay over the odds for Mr Average. I welcome that.Rob wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I'm estimating/guessing playing budgets for this season based on a) previous knowledge; and b) after looking at the 2021 accounts for all 24 clubs in League 2 plus relegated clubs from League 1 and clubs promoted from the National League. The info in the 2021 accounts was quite surprising in some cases. Orient, Northampton and Gillingham wages were much higher than I expected and Bradford City and Tranmere Rovers lower. The Northampton and Gillingham figures are also for seasons in League 1. Gillingham may have cut their budget but I don't think Northampton will have done as they have an ambitious owner who previously spent a load of money at Oxford. The wages info was missing for some clubs but you can work out the losses from the balance sheet. Salford City and Stockport County made massive losses in recent seasons and so you can conclude they are big spenders.
The information in the accounts for 2021 is for Total Salaries/Wages of all staff including national insurance contributions and pensions. It is the amount actually spent by clubs.
I'd say 6th could be reasonably accurate from your list but at no stage has Clough asked for a player and been refused by JR, to the best of my knowledge. Therefore, I believe there is more money in the budget to repair the gaping holes in our squad. I'll repeat that there is no way has JR pumped millions into our club just to sit in League 2, ask the managers he sacked, including one for finishing 4th! I think Clough may be given more time than any of his previous managers to succeed, but it is frankly absurd to suggest we don't have one of the strongest wage budgets in this league, a ruse oft used by those defending the failings in the make-up of our current squad. That said, there are of course advantages to being frugal and I would not wish a return to the Evans/Flitcroft days where we had tens of thousands of pounds a week worth of wages sat in the stands - but when you have the gaping holes in the squad you need more investment and that will come, should Clough finally decide to sign players in the areas where most of us know we are struggling. Freeman, for example, if he comes here will be on a very big wage for League 2.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:NOTES ON MANSFIELD TOWN ACCOUNTS FOR THE YEAR ENDED 31ST DECEMBER 2021
This is a summary of the Mansfield Town accounts for the year ended 31st December 2021 which were approved at the club’s Annual General Meeting on Thursday 22nd December 2022. These accounts cover the second half of the covid affected 2020-2021 season when the Stags finished a disappointing 16th under Graham Coughlan and Nigel Clough after failing to win any of the first eleven games under Graham Coughlan. Mansfield did reach the 3rd Rd of the FA Cup under Nigel Clough knocking out Sunderland 1-0 at the Stadium of Light before losing 2-1 to Cheltenham Town in extra time in the 3rd Rd.
The accounts also cover the first half of 2021-2022 when the Stags finished 3 points off automatic promotion in 7th with 77 points. We then beat Northampton Town in the League 2 Play Off Semi Finals to reach Wembley where we sadly lost to Port Vale. The financial figures for the second half of that season will be in the 2022 accounts which will be laid before shareholders today.
The headlines are that the football club’s finances still remained significantly affected by covid and the lockdown but the club’s losses had reduced from £322,593 in 2020 to £45,774 in 2021.
PROFIT (LOSS)
2021 (£45,774)
2020 (£322,593)
2019 (£50,904)
2018 (£116,281)
2017 (£132,785) (6 months from 1st July)
2016-2017 £6,403
2015-2016 (£10,077)
TURNOVER (INCOME)
The club’s total income increased to £4,130,265 compared to £3,074,465 in 2020. It was £5,706,953 in 2019.
Match Day Income increased to £940,628 compared to £469,103 in 2020. It was £1,268,368 in 2019. All the home games in the second half of the 2020-2021 season were played behind closed doors. The majority of income must have come from season ticket sales for 2021-2022 and 16 home league and cup games for that season.
Football and Media Income (which includes the EFL Distributions and Premier League Solidarity Payments) increased from £1,556,496 to £1,719,138.
Commercial Income increased from £1,048,886 to £1,470,499. It was £3,081,359 in 2019.
EXPENDITURE
Total Wages and Salaries including national insurance contributions and pension costs increased from £3,143,956 to £3,279,040. It was £5,083,199 in 2019.
The average number of staff including directors was 48 compared to 26 in 2020.
Staff whose costs were recharged to group and connected companies were 198 compared to 203 in 2020.
Player Agent Fees increased from to £56,903 to £70,624. They were £133,840 in 2019
Player medical costs fell from £92,712 to £46,830.
Management Charges increased from £36,050 to £48,066.
The rent paid for using Field Mill increased from £47,210 to £49,806.
Academy Funding increased from £30,000 to £40,000.
Energy Bills increased from £27,010 to £62,871. They were £66,324 in 2019.
Travel and Hotel Costs fell from £69,335 to £34,044.
Repairs and Maintenance increased from £88,146 to £164,570. It was £362,209 in 2019.
Other expenses (2020 figures in brackets):
Legal and Professional £29,511 (£31,091)
Motor Expenses £36,504 (£18,693)
Trade Subscriptions £26,246 (£12,664)
Rates £9,881 (£7,220)
Telephone and Fax £6,763 (£6,981)
Water £11,144 (£6,704)
Bank Charges £8,557 (£5,685)
Cleaning £6,233 (£4,704)
Printing and Stationery £7 (£2,883)
Accountancy Fees £25,580 (£2,820)
Entertainment £4,602 (£625)
LOANS OWED TO ONE CALL AND OTHER GROUP COMPANIES
The loans owed to One Call and other group companies fell by around £800,000 from £4,523,361 in 2020 to £3,723,391.
The football club was owed £342,561 from companies under common control and £31,203 from fellow group companies.
The football club made sales of £1,216,666 to fellow group companies.
Other creditors amounted to £761,791. This includes £688,017 owed to directors and former directors.
RSCPBR (Ultimate Parent Company)
The ultimate parent company of Mansfield Town is now RSCPBR Limited which operates a diverse range of businesses including the football club, a claims handling company, vehicle credit hire, vehicle recovery and rescue services, vehicle damage repair and solar energy.
The sole director of RSCPBR is John Radford and he is the sole shareholder
MANSFIELD 1861 LIMITED (Immediate Parent Company)
RSCPBR Limited own all the 100 issued shares in Mansfield 1861 Limited (formerly known as Amber 12 Limited). The directors of Mansfield 1861 Limited are John Radford and Carolyn Radford.
Mansfield 1861 Limited own the majority shareholding in Mansfield Town Football Club Limited.
A big thank you to John Radford and Carolyn Radford and the other directors for their financial support of the football club during the difficult economic times caused by Covid and the lockdown.
The AGM to approve the 2022 accounts will be held at Field Mill later today at 1.00pm where shareholders will hopefully receive a copy of the full accounts for 2022.
Captain Cunno wrote:Does this rent money not just go to JR and then back into the club ?
chip63 wrote:I suppose Sharpes wages are in that amount, not sure about John and Caroline or Steve Hymas,
50 staff on 20k is 1 million.
steve-hymas wrote:chip63 wrote:I suppose Sharpes wages are in that amount, not sure about John and Caroline or Steve Hymas,
50 staff on 20k is 1 million.
For clarity I don’t take a wage from the football club .
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