MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:I think if we're 9th or 10th around Xmas then I can see DF being given till end of season, depending on the gap to playoffs. Much lower and perhaps questions will be asked, but it really depends on the manner of results and any mitigating circumstances.
Thing is, who realistically would you recruit to replace him? I saw some thread about Calderwood, but that seems a joke to me. Certainly don't think he's much if any better than DF imo
Its a bit like poker - with DF we've got a decent hand but a few cards short of a winning one. Do you fold, or hold out longer to see if you can acquire what's needed to take the glory and rewards?
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:I think if we're 9th or 10th around Xmas then I can see DF being given till end of season, depending on the gap to playoffs. Much lower and perhaps questions will be asked, but it really depends on the manner of results and any mitigating circumstances.
Thing is, who realistically would you recruit to replace him? I saw some thread about Calderwood, but that seems a joke to me. Certainly don't think he's much if any better than DF imo
Its a bit like poker - with DF we've got a decent hand but a few cards short of a winning one. Do you fold, or hold out longer to see if you can acquire what's needed to take the glory and rewards?
Rob wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:I think if we're 9th or 10th around Xmas then I can see DF being given till end of season, depending on the gap to playoffs. Much lower and perhaps questions will be asked, but it really depends on the manner of results and any mitigating circumstances.
Thing is, who realistically would you recruit to replace him? I saw some thread about Calderwood, but that seems a joke to me. Certainly don't think he's much if any better than DF imo
Its a bit like poker - with DF we've got a decent hand but a few cards short of a winning one. Do you fold, or hold out longer to see if you can acquire what's needed to take the glory and rewards?
The non league is littered with former league clubs who thought sacking managers every few months was a good plan!
Sneag wrote:Rob wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:I think if we're 9th or 10th around Xmas then I can see DF being given till end of season, depending on the gap to playoffs. Much lower and perhaps questions will be asked, but it really depends on the manner of results and any mitigating circumstances.
Thing is, who realistically would you recruit to replace him? I saw some thread about Calderwood, but that seems a joke to me. Certainly don't think he's much if any better than DF imo
Its a bit like poker - with DF we've got a decent hand but a few cards short of a winning one. Do you fold, or hold out longer to see if you can acquire what's needed to take the glory and rewards?
The non league is littered with former league clubs who thought sacking managers every few months was a good plan!
No it isn't. It's littered with ex league teams who were either poorly run, complacent (too good to go down), or owned by crooks.
The Premier league on the other hand is packed full of clubs who sack their managers at the drop of a hat.
Sneag wrote:Rob wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:I think if we're 9th or 10th around Xmas then I can see DF being given till end of season, depending on the gap to playoffs. Much lower and perhaps questions will be asked, but it really depends on the manner of results and any mitigating circumstances.
Thing is, who realistically would you recruit to replace him? I saw some thread about Calderwood, but that seems a joke to me. Certainly don't think he's much if any better than DF imo
Its a bit like poker - with DF we've got a decent hand but a few cards short of a winning one. Do you fold, or hold out longer to see if you can acquire what's needed to take the glory and rewards?
The non league is littered with former league clubs who thought sacking managers every few months was a good plan!
No it isn't. It's littered with ex league teams who were either poorly run, complacent (too good to go down), or owned by crooks.
The Premier league on the other hand is packed full of clubs who sack their managers at the drop of a hat.
Sneag wrote:I think Chesterfield fall firmly into the poorly run and complacent camps.
Just for arguments sake Rob how patient would you have been with Curle or Evans if they had Flitter's points to game ratio?
Sneag wrote:Until this manager, I've never advocated a manager be fired after a short stint in charge, but then I'd never seen a Stags manager so spectacularly raspberry a season up from such a strong position.
This is a new season & at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt from me because I can see what he's trying to achieve, but if he continually fails to achieve what he's setting out to do i.e. win matches (a bit like a 4th Div footballer who continually tries the Hollywood pass, that gets nowhere near the target, you'll applaud the intent a few times, but eventually the penny drops that maybe the guy just isn't very good), then he'll evetually get the bullet and for all the pretty football he won't be missed anymore than Cartoon Palmer.
Sneag wrote:Until this manager, I've never advocated a manager be fired after a short stint in charge, but then I'd never seen a Stags manager so spectacularly raspberry a season up from such a strong position.
This is a new season & at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt from me because I can see what he's trying to achieve, but if he continually fails to achieve what he's setting out to do i.e. win matches (a bit like a 4th Div footballer who continually tries the Hollywood pass, that gets nowhere near the target, you'll applaud the intent a few times, but eventually the penny drops that maybe the guy just isn't very good), then he'll evetually get the bullet and for all the pretty football he won't be missed anymore than Cartoon Palmer.
Sneag wrote:Until this manager, I've never advocated a manager be fired after a short stint in charge, but then I'd never seen a Stags manager so spectacularly raspberry a season up from such a strong position.
This is a new season & at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt from me because I can see what he's trying to achieve, but if he continually fails to achieve what he's setting out to do i.e. win matches (a bit like a 4th Div footballer who continually tries the Hollywood pass, that gets nowhere near the target, you'll applaud the intent a few times, but eventually the penny drops that maybe the guy just isn't very good), then he'll evetually get the bullet and for all the pretty football he won't be missed anymore than Cartoon Palmer.
ST4GS wrote:Sneag wrote:Until this manager, I've never advocated a manager be fired after a short stint in charge, but then I'd never seen a Stags manager so spectacularly raspberry a season up from such a strong position.
This is a new season & at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt from me because I can see what he's trying to achieve, but if he continually fails to achieve what he's setting out to do i.e. win matches (a bit like a 4th Div footballer who continually tries the Hollywood pass, that gets nowhere near the target, you'll applaud the intent a few times, but eventually the penny drops that maybe the guy just isn't very good), then he'll evetually get the bullet and for all the pretty football he won't be missed anymore than Cartoon Palmer.
Do you remember 1981 , we imploded then too from a stronger position
League Division Four table after close of play on 05 March 1981 (2 points for a win, four automatic promotion places)
1 Southend United 36 24 5 7 61 24 37 53
2 Lincoln City 34 20 10 4 57 19 38 50
3 Doncaster Rovers 35 17 8 10 45 40 5 42
4 Mansfield Town 34 18 5 11 47 30 17 41
5 AFC Bournemouth 36 15 8 13 37 35 2 38
6 Hartlepool United 35 15 8 12 50 49 1 38
7 Aldershot 35 14 10 11 31 30 1 38
8 Wimbledon 33 15 7 11 46 32 14 37
9 Peterborough United 34 13 11 10 53 43 10 37
10 Torquay United 35 16 4 15 47 48 -1 36
11 Wigan Athletic 36 14 8 14 36 42 -6 36
12 Bradford City 34 11 13 10 40 44 -4 35
13 Rochdale 34 11 12 11 48 50 -2 34
14 Darlington 33 13 7 13 46 45 1 33
15 Northampton Town 34 13 7 14 49 54 -5 33
16 Crewe Alexandra 36 10 12 14 39 49 -10 32
17 Scunthorpe United 36 7 17 12 41 48 -7 31
18 Bury 34 11 7 16 45 48 -3 29
19 Tranmere Rovers 33 11 7 15 42 47 -5 29
20 Stockport County 36 11 7 18 34 47 -13 29
21 York City 33 9 8 16 35 45 -10 26
22 Port Vale 34 8 9 17 43 62 -19 25
23 Halifax Town 35 6 11 18 35 55 -20 23
24 Hereford United 33 7 9 17 29 50 -21 23
League Division Four end of season table for 1980-81 season
1 Southend United 46 30 7 9 79 31 48 67
2 Lincoln City 46 25 15 6 66 25 41 65
3 Doncaster Rovers 46 22 12 12 59 49 10 56
4 Wimbledon 46 23 9 14 64 46 18 55
5 Peterborough United 46 17 18 11 68 54 14 52
6 Aldershot 46 18 14 14 43 41 2 50
7 Mansfield Town 46 20 9 17 58 44 14 49
8 Darlington 46 19 11 16 65 59 6 49
9 Hartlepool United 46 20 9 17 64 61 3 49
10 Northampton Town 46 18 13 15 65 67 -2 49
11 Wigan Athletic 46 18 11 17 51 55 -4 47
12 Bury 46 17 11 18 70 62 8 45
13 AFC Bournemouth 46 16 13 17 47 48 -1 45
14 Bradford City 46 14 16 16 53 60 -7 44
15 Rochdale 46 14 15 17 60 70 -10 43
16 Scunthorpe United 46 11 20 15 60 69 -9 42
17 Torquay United 46 18 5 23 55 63 -8 41
18 Crewe Alexandra 46 13 14 19 48 61 -13 40
19 Port Vale 46 12 15 19 57 70 -13 39
20 Stockport County 46 16 7 23 44 57 -13 39
21 Tranmere Rovers 46 13 10 23 59 73 -14 36
22 Hereford United 46 11 13 22 38 62 -24 35
23 Halifax Town 46 11 12 23 44 71 -27 34
24 York City 46 12 9 25 47 66 -19 33
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:Well we could be doing better, but I'm eternally thankful for where we are. There were times in the last 20 years when it really felt like we were teetering on the abyss.
Great owner, new facilities, good football.... just need to tweak the scorelines a bit
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:Well we could be doing better, but I'm eternally thankful for where we are. There were times in the last 20 years when it really felt like we were teetering on the abyss.
Great owner, new facilities, good football.... just need to tweak the scorelines a bit
Sneag wrote:ST4GS wrote:Sneag wrote:Until this manager, I've never advocated a manager be fired after a short stint in charge, but then I'd never seen a Stags manager so spectacularly raspberry a season up from such a strong position.
This is a new season & at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt from me because I can see what he's trying to achieve, but if he continually fails to achieve what he's setting out to do i.e. win matches (a bit like a 4th Div footballer who continually tries the Hollywood pass, that gets nowhere near the target, you'll applaud the intent a few times, but eventually the penny drops that maybe the guy just isn't very good), then he'll evetually get the bullet and for all the pretty football he won't be missed anymore than Cartoon Palmer.
Do you remember 1981 , we imploded then too from a stronger position
League Division Four table after close of play on 05 March 1981 (2 points for a win, four automatic promotion places)
1 Southend United 36 24 5 7 61 24 37 53
2 Lincoln City 34 20 10 4 57 19 38 50
3 Doncaster Rovers 35 17 8 10 45 40 5 42
4 Mansfield Town 34 18 5 11 47 30 17 41
5 AFC Bournemouth 36 15 8 13 37 35 2 38
6 Hartlepool United 35 15 8 12 50 49 1 38
7 Aldershot 35 14 10 11 31 30 1 38
8 Wimbledon 33 15 7 11 46 32 14 37
9 Peterborough United 34 13 11 10 53 43 10 37
10 Torquay United 35 16 4 15 47 48 -1 36
11 Wigan Athletic 36 14 8 14 36 42 -6 36
12 Bradford City 34 11 13 10 40 44 -4 35
13 Rochdale 34 11 12 11 48 50 -2 34
14 Darlington 33 13 7 13 46 45 1 33
15 Northampton Town 34 13 7 14 49 54 -5 33
16 Crewe Alexandra 36 10 12 14 39 49 -10 32
17 Scunthorpe United 36 7 17 12 41 48 -7 31
18 Bury 34 11 7 16 45 48 -3 29
19 Tranmere Rovers 33 11 7 15 42 47 -5 29
20 Stockport County 36 11 7 18 34 47 -13 29
21 York City 33 9 8 16 35 45 -10 26
22 Port Vale 34 8 9 17 43 62 -19 25
23 Halifax Town 35 6 11 18 35 55 -20 23
24 Hereford United 33 7 9 17 29 50 -21 23
League Division Four end of season table for 1980-81 season
1 Southend United 46 30 7 9 79 31 48 67
2 Lincoln City 46 25 15 6 66 25 41 65
3 Doncaster Rovers 46 22 12 12 59 49 10 56
4 Wimbledon 46 23 9 14 64 46 18 55
5 Peterborough United 46 17 18 11 68 54 14 52
6 Aldershot 46 18 14 14 43 41 2 50
7 Mansfield Town 46 20 9 17 58 44 14 49
8 Darlington 46 19 11 16 65 59 6 49
9 Hartlepool United 46 20 9 17 64 61 3 49
10 Northampton Town 46 18 13 15 65 67 -2 49
11 Wigan Athletic 46 18 11 17 51 55 -4 47
12 Bury 46 17 11 18 70 62 8 45
13 AFC Bournemouth 46 16 13 17 47 48 -1 45
14 Bradford City 46 14 16 16 53 60 -7 44
15 Rochdale 46 14 15 17 60 70 -10 43
16 Scunthorpe United 46 11 20 15 60 69 -9 42
17 Torquay United 46 18 5 23 55 63 -8 41
18 Crewe Alexandra 46 13 14 19 48 61 -13 40
19 Port Vale 46 12 15 19 57 70 -13 39
20 Stockport County 46 16 7 23 44 57 -13 39
21 Tranmere Rovers 46 13 10 23 59 73 -14 36
22 Hereford United 46 11 13 22 38 62 -24 35
23 Halifax Town 46 11 12 23 44 71 -27 34
24 York City 46 12 9 25 47 66 -19 33
If he'd matched this raspberry up and made the play offs I think we'd have all been happy with that.
KirkbyStag2 wrote:I'm assuming 81 points will be enough for automatic promotion, TOP 3 finish.
Current Table
PLD.....W......D.......L......PTS........PPG
13........4.......8.......1........20.........1.54
Required for 81 points
PLD.....W......D......L........PTS.......PPG
33........20.....1......12........61........1.85
33........19.....4......10........61........1.85
33........18.....7.......8.........61........1.85
33........17.....10.....6.........61........1.85
33........16.....13.....4.........61........1.85
33........15.....16.....2.........61........1.85
33........14.....19.....0.........61........1.85
Based on our current PPG 1.54 we would finish on 71 points, which is usually enough for 7th, the last play-off place.
bellwhiff wrote:KirkbyStag2 wrote:I'm assuming 81 points will be enough for automatic promotion, TOP 3 finish.
Current Table
PLD.....W......D.......L......PTS........PPG
13........4.......8.......1........20.........1.54
Required for 81 points
PLD.....W......D......L........PTS.......PPG
33........20.....1......12........61........1.85
33........19.....4......10........61........1.85
33........18.....7.......8.........61........1.85
33........17.....10.....6.........61........1.85
33........16.....13.....4.........61........1.85
33........15.....16.....2.........61........1.85
33........14.....19.....0.........61........1.85
Based on our current PPG 1.54 we would finish on 71 points, which is usually enough for 7th, the last play-off place.
So we are on track.
Flitcroft our eh.
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