pemill wrote:I'm still of the view that fat boy bailed because he wasn't confident he could get us promoted.
Whilst we were in a decent position when he left, we should have been top given his track record and the money he spent on players, our form over the first part of the season left a lot to be desired, particularly failing to kill teams off - it hasn't gone un-noticed by me that Swindon (Flitcroft) inflicted 2 defeats on fat boy.
No doubt Flitcroft will have reflected on those last few games ad wished he had done things differently but one thing is for sure, he got us playing better football but that failing of not killing teams off lagged over from fat boys reign and remained deep rooted in our games, all of our strikers were guilty of missing 'sitters' during those remaining games. Like many others I was, still am, hugely disappointed we didn't achieve promotion but I don't put all the blame at Flitcrofts door, our league position reflected how inconsistent we had been up to him arriving.
I get all the 'pre-season doesn't matter and all that' but comparing like for like between this pre-season and last there is a massive difference, we struggled last season against non-league opposition, I was still in shock after the Matlock game just how poor we were and that never really improved. The recent Derby and two Sheffield games are light years away in all departments and you can clearly define a style of play and a team playing as a team.
No doubt L2 is going to be different and we won't get the space like we had against DC, SU & SW but the work ethic will take us a long way, more pleasing is the fact he has gone with some youngsters who didn't look out of place, they'll do well in L2 from what I've seen aka Lawrence, Hassell, Disley and co.
cassellswasmagic wrote:Lawrence and Co didn’t do well in league two though!!! They all cocked it up in a play off final. That team and Keith Curle should’ve got promoted easy and blew it.
pemill wrote:I'm still of the view that fat boy bailed because he wasn't confident he could get us promoted.
Whilst we were in a decent position when he left, we should have been top given his track record and the money he spent on players, our form over the first part of the season left a lot to be desired, particularly failing to kill teams off - it hasn't gone un-noticed by me that Swindon (Flitcroft) inflicted 2 defeats on fat boy.
No doubt Flitcroft will have reflected on those last few games ad wished he had done things differently but one thing is for sure, he got us playing better football but that failing of not killing teams off lagged over from fat boys reign and remained deep rooted in our games, all of our strikers were guilty of missing 'sitters' during those remaining games. Like many others I was, still am, hugely disappointed we didn't achieve promotion but I don't put all the blame at Flitcrofts door, our league position reflected how inconsistent we had been up to him arriving.
I get all the 'pre-season doesn't matter and all that' but comparing like for like between this pre-season and last there is a massive difference, we struggled last season against non-league opposition, I was still in shock after the Matlock game just how poor we were and that never really improved. The recent Derby and two Sheffield games are light years away in all departments and you can clearly define a style of play and a team playing as a team.
No doubt L2 is going to be different and we won't get the space like we had against DC, SU & SW but the work ethic will take us a long way, more pleasing is the fact he has gone with some youngsters who didn't look out of place, they'll do well in L2 from what I've seen aka Lawrence, Hassell, Disley and co.
stags4eva wrote:cassellswasmagic wrote:Lawrence and Co didn’t do well in league two though!!! They all cocked it up in a play off final. That team and Keith Curle should’ve got promoted easy and blew it.
Pretty sure they finished 3rd and got promoted 2 seasons before....
Forever Optimistic wrote:pemill wrote:I'm still of the view that fat boy bailed because he wasn't confident he could get us promoted.
Whilst we were in a decent position when he left, we should have been top given his track record and the money he spent on players, our form over the first part of the season left a lot to be desired, particularly failing to kill teams off - it hasn't gone un-noticed by me that Swindon (Flitcroft) inflicted 2 defeats on fat boy.
No doubt Flitcroft will have reflected on those last few games ad wished he had done things differently but one thing is for sure, he got us playing better football but that failing of not killing teams off lagged over from fat boys reign and remained deep rooted in our games, all of our strikers were guilty of missing 'sitters' during those remaining games. Like many others I was, still am, hugely disappointed we didn't achieve promotion but I don't put all the blame at Flitcrofts door, our league position reflected how inconsistent we had been up to him arriving.
I get all the 'pre-season doesn't matter and all that' but comparing like for like between this pre-season and last there is a massive difference, we struggled last season against non-league opposition, I was still in shock after the Matlock game just how poor we were and that never really improved. The recent Derby and two Sheffield games are light years away in all departments and you can clearly define a style of play and a team playing as a team.
No doubt L2 is going to be different and we won't get the space like we had against DC, SU & SW but the work ethic will take us a long way, more pleasing is the fact he has gone with some youngsters who didn't look out of place, they'll do well in L2 from what I've seen aka Lawrence, Hassell, Disley and co.
I'm inclined to agree with Pemill and to the second point of Spiro's post. I've always thought Evans knew the squad he'd assembled wasn't good enough, so after the two? rejected approaches for the fat controllers services, I believe he took matters into his own hands for the posh job. Underhand yes, Judas to the Radford's yes, beyond SE no. He knew we weren't good enough and wanted out to protect his record which he's always telling people about.
I liked the football played under DF last season, it was better than SEs, unfortunately it didn't get results, which is what it's all about after all.
I was happy after JR backed him after last season, very optimistic about this season which has been backed up with the PSFs, yes they're only PSFs but we now played 3 sides supposedly far superior to us and held our own, probably shaved at least 2 of these, hence the results.
I also much prefer the way we've gone about our business closed season, quietly, no bluster and hardly noticed.
My only worry is injuries, it was said we'd suffer injuries due to his hard training principles, and we're already dropping them after 3 games. As we all know it's a long hard season in L2. If we can regularly play a consistent starting XI, with an option B which is what I think we've got, we'll do well. If a lot of injuries strike, we may struggle. This will determine whether DF succeeds or fails for me.
I've always brought into DF, but that's my biggest concern
cassellswasmagic wrote:stags4eva wrote:cassellswasmagic wrote:Lawrence and Co didn’t do well in league two though!!! They all cocked it up in a play off final. That team and Keith Curle should’ve got promoted easy and blew it.
Pretty sure they finished 3rd and got promoted 2 seasons before....
My old brain ain’t what it used to be lol. I’m thinking 04-05 I think.
Jamie wrote:
This is all a bit premature.
Just remember spanishstag, we could be here in 10 games time with only a handful of points and every one will rightly be calling you a clown for backing such a poor manager. Saying how we told you this last year. It works got ways...
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:David Flitcroft needs to step up to the plate and start picking up three bags of coal on a regular basis for the Promotion Express. He got shunted into the sidings last season with his relegation form despite having a very good and expensive train set to play with. Wins over Championship sides mean nothing if we cannot beat Newport and Yeovil. He needs to improve his win rate and improve it fast.
cassellswasmagic wrote:As some have said before only fat man to blame for the capitulation of three clubs last season!!!
abc wrote:cassellswasmagic wrote:As some have said before only fat man to blame for the capitulation of three clubs last season!!!
You don't blame Flipflop at all then ?
abc wrote:cassellswasmagic wrote:As some have said before only fat man to blame for the capitulation of three clubs last season!!!
You don't blame Flipflop at all then ?
bellwhiff wrote:abc wrote:cassellswasmagic wrote:As some have said before only fat man to blame for the capitulation of three clubs last season!!!
You don't blame Flipflop at all then ?
No, I don’t. I blame Bat Fastard.
m1cksut wrote:on reflection, i think that when DF got here, he realised that we weren't good enough to go up automatically, and would be soundly thrashed in the play offs, so used the last 12 games as a sounding board, to see who could do what, and what he needed to do for the next season.
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:Correction Tippy, YOUR expectation is we must finish top 3 next season!
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