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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby oldweststander » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:47 am

Play offs at best.

All the compairing to Murray etc is pathetic, Evans is a football manager, love him or loath him, Murray was a good player, end of.

Plenty of points still up for grabs, we are two pkayers short and Evans knows that. He thought and I thought Atkinson and Anderson woukd bring that sonething extra to midfield, they have not.
Mellis blows hot and cold and was awful against Yeovil.

Bring in decent midfielder, keep Hemmings and try to loan a striker who actually scores, then perm any three from Atkinson, Thomas, Anderson, Potter, Digby, Sterling James to go.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby stag861 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:47 pm

When Billy Davies was at Florist his post match rants were always about needing two stellar players and a left back. Too many of us think that we're going to get super stars to push us up the league. Us and 91 other clubs.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:37 pm

All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bellwhiff » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:41 pm

No it isn’t propaganda. I think people on here are rushing far too quickly to judge. I don’t think the play offs are a Bridge too far. We are a couple of points off them. What a ridiculous statement.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:42 pm

I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:11 pm

Maybe I am speaking just for myself and I will be the first to apologise to all Stagsnet. But we are in a position of dropping points week after week against sides we should be beating. Good sides don’t do that, they beat those sort of sides.

I want us to ‘do a Blackpool’. As they, last season were in a position similar to us now and went up. Though the month of May is looming closer and closer.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Bridgford Stag » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:46 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


At the moment I can only see the playoffs (and not guaranteed) as a realistic outcome Martin.

Unfortunately past records and reputatations are there to be broken. Not suggesting at all that SE is past his sell by date ...but... a close season when he has had time to get his squad(albeit beset by the fact that players weren't interested in coming to MT) hasn't totally convinced me that he can take us up based on performances I have witnessed.

Really do hope SE can get us to become a killer team to see teams like Yeovil (no disrespect to them) off - too many points 'lost' so far.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:16 am

Bridgford Stag wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


At the moment I can only see the playoffs (and not guaranteed) as a realistic outcome Martin.

Unfortunately past records and reputatations are there to be broken. Not suggesting at all that SE is past his sell by date ...but... a close season when he has had time to get his squad(albeit beset by the fact that players weren't interested in coming to MT) hasn't totally convinced me that he can take us up based on performances I have witnessed.

Really do hope SE can get us to become a killer team to see teams like Yeovil (no disrespect to them) off - too many points 'lost' so far.


I’m with Bridgford, Martin. The jury’s still out where SE is concerned, I feel.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby tillydog123 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:36 am

Nil nils like Sat tend to tell u that the play offs is probably going to be the best we will get.
Had we thrashed Yeovil might have posted differently but we are way to inconsistent and from Crawley game to present day we look like we have gone off the boil in front of goal.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby convertmel » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am

Biggest game of the season so far Saturday for me :(
A big win sets us up for a strong challenge of the summit as the season progresses
Another lacklustre display and the pressure is on bigtime :cry:
I will travel up in hope if not expectation....
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby adamstag » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 am

Martin Shaw wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


But at the beginning of the season both the manager and chairman gave pretty obvious hints that good things and the top 3 should be expected. It's not like these were subtle

Has this now been downgraded to aiming for the playoffs?

As i've said numerous times, the vastmajority of the seasons i'd be delighted with the play-offs, it just sucks to be told to expect something better then it not materialise.

Promotion sides don't accumulate 2 points out of 9 from games against Chesterfield, Crawley and Yeovil - Luton achieved 7 and County 5, for example.

That said, the last time JR gave the same hints we had an unreal new year and never looked back. It's an odd one
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Frontrowhero » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:12 am

The next 3 games morecambe, Grimsby and Wycombe are make or break for certain players in the squad. They either turn up and show they want to play for the stags and if they don't Steve should tell them to get straight on the phone to their agent 1st of Jan.

Steve needs to stop blaming everyone else bar himself and take some responsibility for the poor performances this season. Fans are rightly not happy with performances of late, deal with it. Come end of Jan we will have a good idea how the season might pan out, maybe new signings and an upturn in form? Carry on like we are end of Jan it will be season pretty much over and play offs a faint hope
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Amber Andy » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:08 pm

I think the playoffs are a probability. Of course there are no guarantees under any manager. It's just that SE gives us a better chance than our previous two managers. I also believe if we become more positive we will have a better chance. I don't know if players read this forum, but to be accused of being "big time Charlie's, being on large salaries and not putting the effort isn't going to help their commitment to the cause.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Frontrowhero » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:47 pm

Amber Andy wrote:I think the playoffs are a probability. Of course there are no guarantees under any manager. It's just that SE gives us a better chance than our previous two managers. I also believe if we become more positive we will have a better chance. I don't know if players read this forum, but to be accused of being "big time Charlie's, being on large salaries and not putting the effort isn't going to help their commitment to the cause.


I hope they do read this forum or in some way get the message. there is quite a few that are not producing the goods in terms of performance and effort that are costing the club a hefty wage. from what I have seen of our youth team, some of them need to start appearing on the bench and were given a go and drop a few of the big earners/underperformers to the u23's let them know if they don't perform they are out. the youth would appreciate the chance given and I know would give everything for the club unlike what I'm personally seeing at the moment and to be honest cant do any worse results wise than what we are seeing at the moment.

that's my take on it, sorry if you find it harsh against the players, but a change is needed can't carry on like we are. In my opinion there are a few swanning around like big time Charlie's (thinking they are better than what they are)
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Amber Andy » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:28 pm

People are more likely to perform better in their jobs if they are appreciated - fact.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby adamstag » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:32 pm

Amber Andy wrote:People are more likely to perform better in their jobs if they are appreciated - fact.


Players are likely to be appreciate more if they put some bloody effort in, which they haven't done of late, simple.

We've all gone round circles about booing - I find it pointless and isn't constructive, which is why you have a message board. I think get bemused by those who complain people moan on here - it's better than doing it in the flesh at the ground.

What I don't get though is when players get clapped off when they've clearly not performed, I wouldn't be given a backslap at work and a well done if i'd have done sod all.

I think the players are getting it more this season as it's clear they've got the ability, they just aren't showing it for some reason
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Frontrowhero » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:39 pm

Amber Andy wrote:People are more likely to perform better in their jobs if they are appreciated - fact.


True andy

but you have missed the point when you don't do your job in any walk of life you get fired.

At the moment I wouldn't pay some of them in washers, some of them would be p45 in Jan and good luck in getting your agent to find you a club in Jan same as what we have offered. Harsh reality football,some fired and some could do with a loan to the vanarama at barrow on a cold Tuesday night for a month and watch them come back playing out of their skin when they realised they had it good at the stags and a taste of what is to come if they carry on playing like they are
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Frontrowhero » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:54 pm

adamstag wrote:
Amber Andy wrote:People are more likely to perform better in their jobs if they are appreciated - fact.


Players are likely to be appreciate more if they put some bloody effort in, which they haven't done of late, simple.

We've all gone round circles about booing - I find it pointless and isn't constructive, which is why you have a message board. I think get bemused by those who complain people moan on here - it's better than doing it in the flesh at the ground.

What I don't get though is when players get clapped off when they've clearly not performed, I wouldn't be given a backslap at work and a well done if i'd have done sod all.

I think the players are getting it more this season as it's clear they've got the ability, they just aren't showing it for some reason


I get what you are saying Adam at the end of the game when they have not performed, they should not be praised/clapped off at the end of the game.

What I don't get is steves criticism of the fans over recent weeks since Colchester. He has to look at the bigger picture, the fans have been superb during the 90 mins supporting the team and getting behind them. If at the end of the game we have seen another poor performance, he has to expect some boos and criticism. This is up there with one of the most expensive stags and management teams assembled. JR, directors and fans deserve better. They are in the privileged position of being paid a very good wage for doing what most fans would dream of doing for a living.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby tmwilson » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:37 pm

It's a team game and they are not playing as a team . We have a very good squad of players . On occasions , the decisions Evans has made have baffled me , but on the same score he has got things tactically correct . All managers do the same , you win you get it right , you lose you get ot wrong .
I think cetrain players are not playing in their perfered position . The constant swapping of tge team is doing no favours to the team or players .

I would like us to keep to the same system . Stop changing the team around . Players can't gel if they Evans is constantly changing things around .
Saying that , the players need to take a lot of the blame . It's not Steve fault that players make individual mistakes . Miss good scoring chances and that players go missing .
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby yorkshire stag » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:49 pm

as from day one of the season, without a striker to support or even give him a break we will not get out his league, big learning curve for JR this season, come on we stand and fall together as a club, COYS
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:54 pm

tmwilson wrote:It's a team game and they are not playing as a team . We have a very good squad of players . On occasions , the decisions Evans has made have baffled me , but on the same score he has got things tactically correct . All managers do the same , you win you get it right , you lose you get ot wrong .
I think cetrain players are not playing in their perfered position . The constant swapping of tge team is doing no favours to the team or players .

I would like us to keep to the same system . Stop changing the team around . Players can't gel if they Evans is constantly changing things around .
Saying that , the players need to take a lot of the blame . It's not Steve fault that players make individual mistakes . Miss good scoring chances and that players go missing .



You say you don’t want the team to keep changing, if you were our manager and we’d played poorly in the previous game would you start all those players again despite a poor performance? If evo didn’t make any changes some would moan, if he makes changes some people still moan. Not a dig at you just a general question

I agree that steve takes a lot of flak for players making individual errors or missing chances they shouldn’t. those errors are on the players, not evans. everything they train for in the week can soon go out the window in a couple of minutes if someone makes a sloppy error, what’s evans to do about that?
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby scottyd281 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:14 pm

Apart from scoring they hammered them on Saturday 2nd half. Need a striker of a good record in this division or above :) , keep Hemmings, funny how we are a little toothless during his injury as IMO he drags attention from 2 defenders to help Rose. Personally can't fault the effort, the guys on Saturday gave100% as they have always, just could not put it in the back of the net with clear cut chances. Get another top striker along with some others, keep Hemmings and we will go up, no doubt. COYS. its alright for us to be playing fantasy football and as fans I understand to some degree, KEEP THE ENCOURAGEMENT to the players, as this does help. Remember its JR's & other's money after all and we're not in the League from hell anymore. HOLD as they say in the Crypto world...:) and enjoy the next 5 months pushing for promotion.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby tmwilson » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:29 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
tmwilson wrote:It's a team game and they are not playing as a team . We have a very good squad of players . On occasions , the decisions Evans has made have baffled me , but on the same score he has got things tactically correct . All managers do the same , you win you get it right , you lose you get ot wrong .
I think cetrain players are not playing in their perfered position . The constant swapping of tge team is doing no favours to the team or players .

I would like us to keep to the same system . Stop changing the team around . Players can't gel if they Evans is constantly changing things around .
Saying that , the players need to take a lot of the blame . It's not Steve fault that players make individual mistakes . Miss good scoring chances and that players


You say you don’t want the team to keep changing, if you were our manager and we’d played poorly in the previous game would you start all those players again despite a poor performance? If evo didn’t make any changes some would moan, if he makes changes some people still moan. Not a dig at you just a general question

I agree that steve takes a lot of flak for players making individual errors or missing chances they shouldn’t. those errors are on the players, not evans. everything they train for in the week can soon go out the window in a couple of minutes if someone makes a sloppy error, what’s evans to do about that?



Yes I would play the same players . The players are not bad players but they do have off days . They are human . If we are talking about players not doing their job then Rose would of been dropped a few times . He hasn't scored for a while but all players under perform from time to time . Players have a dip in form
. How can players recapture their form if they are dropped willy nilly?
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:31 pm

tmwilson wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
tmwilson wrote:It's a team game and they are not playing as a team . We have a very good squad of players . On occasions , the decisions Evans has made have baffled me , but on the same score he has got things tactically correct . All managers do the same , you win you get it right , you lose you get ot wrong .
I think cetrain players are not playing in their perfered position . The constant swapping of tge team is doing no favours to the team or players .

I would like us to keep to the same system . Stop changing the team around . Players can't gel if they Evans is constantly changing things around .
Saying that , the players need to take a lot of the blame . It's not Steve fault that players make individual mistakes . Miss good scoring chances and that players


You say you don’t want the team to keep changing, if you were our manager and we’d played poorly in the previous game would you start all those players again despite a poor performance? If evo didn’t make any changes some would moan, if he makes changes some people still moan. Not a dig at you just a general question

I agree that steve takes a lot of flak for players making individual errors or missing chances they shouldn’t. those errors are on the players, not evans. everything they train for in the week can soon go out the window in a couple of minutes if someone makes a sloppy error, what’s evans to do about that?



Yes I would play the same players . The players are not bad players but they do have off days . They are human . If we are talking about players not doing their job then Rose would of been dropped a few times . He hasn't scored for a while but all players under perform from time to time . Players have a dip in form
. How can players recapture their form if they are dropped willy nilly?



I see where you’re coming from. I think in a recent interview evans was asked about the team changing and he said in the past it hasn’t worked for him where he kept sending the same team out that kept losing so maybe that has something to do with it. He only made 4 changes against yeovil and did change the formation so it’s not like wholesale changes
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby tmwilson » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:56 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
tmwilson wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
tmwilson wrote:It's a team game and they are not playing as a team . We have a very good squad of players . On occasions , the decisions Evans has made have baffled me , but on the same score he has got things tactically correct . All managers do the same , you win you get it right , you lose you get ot wrong .
I think cetrain players are not playing in their perfered position . The constant swapping of tge team is doing no favours to the team or players .

I would like us to keep to the same system . Stop changing the team around . Players can't gel if they Evans is constantly changing things around .
Saying that , the players need to take a lot of the blame . It's not Steve fault that players make individual mistakes . Miss good scoring chances and that players




You say you don’t want the team to keep changing, if you were our manager and we’d played poorly in the previous game would you start all those players again despite a poor performance? If evo didn’t make any changes some would moan, if he makes changes some people still moan. Not a dig at you just a general question

I agree that steve takes a lot of flak for players making individual errors or missing chances they shouldn’t. those errors are on the players, not evans. everything they train for in the week can soon go out the window in a couple of minutes if someone makes a sloppy error, what’s evans to do about that?



Yes I would play the same players . The players are not bad players but they do have off days . They are human . If we are talking about players not doing their job then Rose would of been dropped a few times . He hasn't scored for a while but all players under perform from time to time . Players have a dip in form
. How can players recapture their form if they are dropped willy nilly?



I see where you’re coming from. I think in a recent interview evans was asked about the team changing and he said in the past it hasn’t worked for him where he kept sending the same team out that kept losing so maybe that has something to do with it. He only made 4 changes against yeovil and did change the formation so it’s not like wholesale changes


Logans position seems safe so that's four changes from ten . Almost 50%. Don't get me wrong , and its wasn't just Yeovil . I think the formation was wrong against Yeovil . I would of brought Benning in for Hunt but played a back four , plus two wingers . Benning and white could of overlapped instead of being in no man's land . Benning was afraid to get forward .
Bringing Anderson on as a striker and playing McDonald in a unfamiliar position were bad mistakes .

I honestly think that majority of players are under achieving because of the changing of tactics and the constant changing of team mates .
Evans and fans alike have said that Rose and Hemmings are forming a good partnership . Well surely this applies to the rest of the players ? Play the same team , if certain players are playing poorly then replace them . That's what subs are for .
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