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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Spiritater » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:04 pm

4 changes from 10 isn't nearly 50%, it's 40% and it's a fact. You could of course go the other way and say it's nearly 30% and then that'd look better. :D
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby tmwilson » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:40 pm

Spiritater wrote:4 changes from 10 isn't nearly 50%, it's 40% and it's a fact. You could of course go the other way and say it's nealy 30% and then that'd look better. :D


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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:48 pm

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I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


But at the beginning of the season both the manager and chairman gave pretty obvious hints that good things and the top 3 should be expected. It's not like these were subtle

Has this now been downgraded to aiming for the playoffs?

As i've said numerous times, the vastmajority of the seasons i'd be delighted with the play-offs, it just sucks to be told to expect something better then it not materialise.

Promotion sides don't accumulate 2 points out of 9 from games against Chesterfield, Crawley and Yeovil - Luton achieved 7 and County 5, for example.

That said, the last time JR gave the same hints we had an unreal new year and never looked back. It's an odd one

I guess since your quoting my post, you're asking me a question.

I said before the season started, on BBC Radio Nottingham before the Crewe game, that I expected us to make the play-offs, but that I wasn't sure we had enough to make the top 3. In particular we hadn't made the marquee signing of a clinical goalscorer at that point (and still didn't by the end of transfer window).

I still think that.

As for what John Radford thinks, I'm pretty sure he's still hoping that we'll push on and get into the top 3, with the play-offs as a bare minimum requirement.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby ST4GS » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:04 pm

Only 3 points adrift despite indifferent performances. If we are better in second half of season we could do it.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby lancer » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:19 pm

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby yorkstag » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:51 pm

yes and yes again. Must be depressing to see the downside of everything and believe the worst but hey ho
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Alwaysa5tag » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:04 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
adamstag wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


But at the beginning of the season both the manager and chairman gave pretty obvious hints that good things and the top 3 should be expected. It's not like these were subtle

Has this now been downgraded to aiming for the playoffs?

As i've said numerous times, the vastmajority of the seasons i'd be delighted with the play-offs, it just sucks to be told to expect something better then it not materialise.

Promotion sides don't accumulate 2 points out of 9 from games against Chesterfield, Crawley and Yeovil - Luton achieved 7 and County 5, for example.

That said, the last time JR gave the same hints we had an unreal new year and never looked back. It's an odd one

I guess since your quoting my post, you're asking me a question.

I said before the season started, on BBC Radio Nottingham before the Crewe game, that I expected us to make the play-offs, but that I wasn't sure we had enough to make the top 3. In particular we hadn't made the marquee signing of a clinical goalscorer at that point (and still didn't by the end of transfer window).

I still think that.

As for what John Radford thinks, I'm pretty sure he's still hoping that we'll push on and get into the top 3, with the play-offs as a bare minimum requirement.


Do you not think that lack of goals from other areas is more of a problem?

We have 2 strikers who are scoring fairly regularly....Hemmings finding his feet nicely...Rose gone 5 without until today but that happens to the best.

For me a 10 goal a season midfielder/winger is something we are lacking. I've said previously that we don't score nearly enough goals from other areas.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby gazza1988 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:39 pm

Alwaysa5tag wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:
adamstag wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:All Stags fans, possibly with the exception of Norman, fell to an extent for Steve’s ‘Specialist in Promotion’ propaganda. Sadly this has turned out to be just propaganda. Most fans accept now that even reaching the play-offs may be a bridge too far. So sadly for me it is a definite NO.

I would be the first of many to stand in the Market Place and say I was wrong and apologise to Steve if he turns things around.

I would even learn the phrase ‘I was wrong Steve’ in Polish so that the users of Mansfield Market place would understand.

speak for yourself. I think we will and expect us to reach the play-offs.

As for propaganda about Steve Evans and promotions, his record speaks for itself. Crawley: Conference to League One; Rotherham: League Two to Championship and kept them in the Championship.


But at the beginning of the season both the manager and chairman gave pretty obvious hints that good things and the top 3 should be expected. It's not like these were subtle

Has this now been downgraded to aiming for the playoffs?

As i've said numerous times, the vastmajority of the seasons i'd be delighted with the play-offs, it just sucks to be told to expect something better then it not materialise.

Promotion sides don't accumulate 2 points out of 9 from games against Chesterfield, Crawley and Yeovil - Luton achieved 7 and County 5, for example.

That said, the last time JR gave the same hints we had an unreal new year and never looked back. It's an odd one

I guess since your quoting my post, you're asking me a question.

I said before the season started, on BBC Radio Nottingham before the Crewe game, that I expected us to make the play-offs, but that I wasn't sure we had enough to make the top 3. In particular we hadn't made the marquee signing of a clinical goalscorer at that point (and still didn't by the end of transfer window).

I still think that.

As for what John Radford thinks, I'm pretty sure he's still hoping that we'll push on and get into the top 3, with the play-offs as a bare minimum requirement.


Do you not think that lack of goals from other areas is more of a problem?

We have 2 strikers who are scoring fairly regularly....Hemmings finding his feet nicely...Rose gone 5 without until today but that happens to the best.

For me a 10 goal a season midfielder/winger is something we are lacking. I've said previously that we don't score nearly enough goals from other areas.


We've got to look at the bigger picture here. heading into the christmas period, had I said pre-season we'd be 3 points off the automatic spots at this point I certainly would have taken it.

I personally couldn't give 2 hoots where the goals come from. just the points I'm more bothered about.

I always say the mark of a good team is that when performances drop some points still get added to the board. We've gained at least 1 point from 9 of our last 10 games scoring 13 goals in those games and gaining 17 points. We have achieved a points per game ratio of 1.7 per game. Multiply that by the 46 games in a season and you've got 78.2 points. Last season would have got you 4th.

Thats worked out using the results of our last 10 games. Had we converted 2 draws into wins then we would have 2 points per game and based on last season would be champions.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:13 pm

I'm assuming 81 points will achieve automatic promotion (top 3)

Current Table,

PLD........W........D.......L.......PTS
23...........9.........9........5........36

Required, for 81 points total,

PLD.......W.......D.......L.........PTS
23.........15.......0........8.........45
23.........14.......3........6.........45
23.........13.......6........4.........45 :D
23.........12.......9........2.........45
23.........11......12.......0.........45

We've currently got 1.57 points per game, where as we need 1.76 PPG over 46 games, therefore we now need 1.96 PPG for the remaining 23 games

At the halfway stage of the season we're 4/5 points short of what we need for the 3rd promotion place based on the estimated 81 points, if we had the extra 4/5 points we would actually be 3rd.

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PLD 12, W 6, D 5, L 1, PTS 23, PPG 1.92

AWAY (15th on PPG) :shock:
PLD 11, W 3, D 4, L 4, PTS 13, PPG 1.18

Really need to improve away, the next 2 games, at Grimsby & Wycombe, will be tough and ideally we need to win one of them!

If you cut the 90 minutes into 15 minute segments, and look at goals scored/conceded, we only lose 2 out of the 6 segments, the 1st 15 minutes 1-4 and the last 15 minutes 6-9.

0-15 min, 1-4
16-30 min, 6-1
31-45 min, 3-3
46-60 min, 9-5
61-75 min, 7-4
76-90 min, 6-9

Steve Evans PPG
Last season 1.56
This season 1.57

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby part time pete » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:03 am

So with all the cash this season, virtually no improvement.
We might win against Accrington next time, if we ever play them again.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Vice President » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:14 pm

We are still not good enough yet for top 3. Our only chance of finishing in the top 3 is to dramatically improve the midfield. If he can do that in January, then we might have a chance.
We also still need that goal-scoring striker, but I think sorting out the midfield is the higher priority right now.
If we fail to strengthen our midfield then I am still sticking with my pre-season prediction that we will finish 8th (although I wouldn't be surprised if we sneak in to the play-offs).
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:31 pm

part time pete wrote:So with all the cash this season, virtually no improvement.


Almost five points over a season at this rate, which I expect to improve.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby part time pete » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:12 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
part time pete wrote:So with all the cash this season, virtually no improvement.


Almost five points over a season at this rate, which I expect to improve.


I think your Maths are not your strong point whiffy. 0.01 for 46 matches is less than half a point over the season.
We might win against Accrington next time, if we ever play them again.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Rob » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:14 pm

part time pete wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
part time pete wrote:So with all the cash this season, virtually no improvement.


Almost five points over a season at this rate, which I expect to improve.


I think your Maths are not your strong point whiffy. 0.01 for 46 matches is less than half a point over the season.


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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:19 pm

Been on the Port.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby yorkstag » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:02 pm

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby PRL13 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:24 pm

I was confident, with all the hype that we would walk the league this season. Even if we make the playoffs, I can`t see us winning them unless we improve considerably! For that, we need the manager to know his best team and play his best team when possible. The keeper generally does his job, now. The defence are sound and would be better if we were doing better. The midfield need to be more competitive and we need strikers that can score! At least one new one.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:25 pm

There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:21 pm

I'm assuming 81 points will achieve automatic promotion (top 3)

Current Table,

PLD........W........D.......L.......PTS
24...........9........10......5........37

Required, for 81 points total,

PLD.......W.......D.......L.........PTS
22.........14.......2........6.........44
22.........13.......5........4.........44 :D
22.........12.......8........2.........44
22.........11......11.......0.........44

We've currently got 1.54 points per game, where as we need 1.76 PPG over 46 games, therefore we now need 2.00 PPG for the remaining 22 games

Steve Evans PPG
Last season 1.56
This season 1.54 :shock:

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby convertmel » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:54 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league

I disagree, fans don't score or clear off the line or miss penalties....
It's obviously the lack of points that keeps us even out of the playoffs so far.
I'm starting to wonder if Grimsby will be our only "derby" next season :(
Looking like clownty and lincoln will be up for promotion and of course we look like losing a Derbyshire team at the other end :D
We need to be putting teams away if we harbour dreams of going up,
It's a really poor league ( lootin apart) and a good run could see us still make it .
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Stags 2002 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:19 pm

convertmel wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league

I disagree, fans don't score or clear off the line or miss penalties....
It's obviously the lack of points that keeps us even out of the playoffs so far.
I'm starting to wonder if Grimsby will be our only "derby" next season :(
Looking like clownty and lincoln will be up for promotion and of course we look like losing a Derbyshire team at the other end :D
We need to be putting teams away if we harbour dreams of going up,
It's a really poor league ( lootin apart) and a good run could see us still make it .


Convertmel i think your being a little dramatic there. If the gap between us and Lincoln happened to be the same as the gap between us and Luton i would take your point on board. Note Lincoln play Luton Monday so could drop points.

But you are right when you say we have to many draws and need a winning run. We are still in this we haven't even turned the year yet and 3rd place seems to be getting closer and closer (we just aren't taking advantage yet).

I hate to say it but it very much looks like a case of who will be joining Luton and maybe County already this season - 3rd though is very much up for grabs at this point and anyone of 10 teams are in contention (including us). We just need that winning run.

County however haven't had their customary wheel falling off moment - which may or may not happen so may fall back.

Luton however could be champions by the time we play them early April - which may be an advantage as they get ready for holidays. Long way to go yet.

Our next two games are huge though, lose both and we could be in the bottom half of the table. However win both and we could be 3rd on new years day, wouldn't that be a great way to start the new year!!

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby stagsfan6493 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:29 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league

Disagree with that. I think most fans expected an improvement on what Evans did from November to May last season.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby bobbystagsfan » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:44 pm

stagsfan6493 wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league

Disagree with that. I think most fans expected an improvement on what Evans did from November to May last season.



there is a difference between ‘an improvement’ and walking the league. Luton are the ones doing that, but you would expect them to be as they’ve spent more money than us and have had a settled squad for a few seasons now i think.

I expect us to get promotion, but not to walk the league as that was never going to happen. Still plenty of time though! Look what portsmouth did last year, donny were promoted after they beat us 1-0 and they just let the champions trophy slip.

Let’s also hope that Jones and Nolan are poached by other teams and the wheels fall off for both :lol:
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby convertmel » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:20 pm

Stags 2002 wrote:
convertmel wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:There lies the problem, fans expecting us to walk the league

I disagree, fans don't score or clear off the line or miss penalties....
It's obviously the lack of points that keeps us even out of the playoffs so far.
I'm starting to wonder if Grimsby will be our only "derby" next season :(
Looking like clownty and lincoln will be up for promotion and of course we look like losing a Derbyshire team at the other end :D
We need to be putting teams away if we harbour dreams of going up,
It's a really poor league ( lootin apart) and a good run could see us still make it .


Convertmel i think your being a little dramatic there. If the gap between us and Lincoln happened to be the same as the gap between us and Luton i would take your point on board. Note Lincoln play Luton Monday so could drop points.

But you are right when you say we have to many draws and need a winning run. We are still in this we haven't even turned the year yet and 3rd place seems to be getting closer and closer (we just aren't taking advantage yet).

I hate to say it but it very much looks like a case of who will be joining Luton and maybe County already this season - 3rd though is very much up for grabs at this point and anyone of 10 teams are in contention (including us). We just need that winning run.

County however haven't had their customary wheel falling off moment - which may or may not happen so may fall back.

Luton however could be champions by the time we play them early April - which may be an advantage as they get ready for holidays. Long way to go yet.

Our next two games are huge though, lose both and we could be in the bottom half of the table. However win both and we could be 3rd on new years day, wouldn't that be a great way to start the new year!!

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One thing I have learnt even tho I know next to nothing about football is momentum counts for a lot where promotion is concerned, it's not the occasional loss that bothers me, it's the lack of killer instinct to win more games when we draw.
Lootin apart , it is a really poor league and we have the personnel to be top 3 , yet we aren't.
It's a long season but it's also an indisputable fact that the more points you gain before Xmas the fewer you will be required to gain later to achieve your goal.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3

Postby Vice President » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:25 am

Some people keep saying this is a poor league. I disagree - I think it is a strong league. That is why our supposedly good squad on paper is struggling. That is why there are so many teams pushing for a playoff place, and why teams at the bottom are beating teams at the top.
League 2 is highly competitive this year, and there are no easy games.
There are several teams with more settled squads than ours and who finished above us last year.
It will be a tough battle just to maintain and secure a play-off place.
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